Question About Buying A Long Gun In PA

[j_h_smith]

Hey now, that is insulting..., not all of us are conservatives.

I get what you're saying, and, I get what other people are saying. EM and I recently did a trade and didn't require ID from each other, but that's because we know each other.

I view it not as BGOS, but being a responsible gun owner. I have a gun safe..., using your logic, then I'm playing into the left's demand that we have safe storage laws. I do not support safe storage laws because they're stupid and unenforceable, but I still keep my guns in a safe to protect them and myself, and I think it's something that responsible gun owners do. Same as if I am selling a gun to an unknown actor..., just because I want to protect myself from a bad transaction doesn't mean that I support any of the policy measures that you pointed out. That is a false dichotomy. I can both oppose those policy measures and protect myself without running afoul to such a stance.

Another example would be training. I oppose mandatory training for firearms ownership, but I think that responsible gun owners seek out training and train frequently in their use and deployment. That doesn't mean that I support mandatory firearms training.

But as a seller, you are requiring a buyer to have what is a de facto license to purchase a firearm. A driver's license would meet the criteria of establishing the buyer's place of residence. So why the go further than that? If need be, a simple Bill of Sales with the buyer stating he or she is not prohibited would meet other concerns.

[j_h_smith]

And a felon can have DL.

Next.

And a LTCF holder can become a criminal after he buys your firearm. How does that protect you?

[McSull]

I'm guessing in MD you dont require an LTCF, because you can't get one. Here in PA, you walk into the sherriff's office and walk out with an LTCF.

Is someone you know trying to buy a long gun in a private sale in PA?

[Justin///M]

But as a seller, you are requiring a buyer to have what is a de facto license to purchase a firearm. A driver's license would meet the criteria of establishing the buyer's place of residence. So why the go further than that? If need be, a simple Bill of Sales with the buyer stating he or she is not prohibited would meet other concerns.

Sure, there's varying ways one can protect themselves. I think PA people find it easier to use something someone already has for the most part. Note, I don't necessarily require a LTCF, I recognize that someone may not have one. Here's some of the ways I've made deals in the past;

- Required nothing.
- Asked for LTCF.
- Asked for LTCF with bill of sale.
- Asked for DL if no LTCF, with bill of sale.
- Asked for transfer via FLL if really unsure.


Each individual buyer/seller has to decide for themselves what criteria they want or are willing to meet (buyer). Every situation is different (for me).

[McSull]

And a LTCF holder can become a criminal after he buys your firearm. How does that protect you?

Much less likely.

[Gun]

And a LTCF holder can become a criminal after he buys your firearm. How does that protect you?

Really? Now you are just trolling.

You don't need to own any firearms.

[j_h_smith]

I'm guessing in MD you dont require an LTCF, because you can't get one. Here in PA, you walk into the sherriff's office and walk out with an LTCF.

Is someone you know trying to buy a long gun in a private sale in PA?

We have carry permits in Md and they're not as difficult to get as people believe. I have one and it's unrestricted.

I'm not interested in violating Federal law and that's not what this discussion is about. I'm interested in this unwritten rule that someone has to have a de facto license to purchase a firearm when it's not required by PA law.

[j_h_smith]

Much less likely.

Okay, but it's possible isn't it? If it's a possible lawsuit or prosecution you're worried about, how does the buyer's LTCF status come into play?

[j_h_smith]

Really? Now you are just trolling.

You don't need to own any firearms.

You don't need to be in a cohesive, cognitive discussion with those kind or responses.

[j_h_smith]

Sure, there's varying ways one can protect themselves. I think PA people find it easier to use something someone already has for the most part. Note, I don't necessarily require a LTCF, I recognize that someone may not have one. Here's some of the ways I've made deals in the past;

- Required nothing.
- Asked for LTCF.
- Asked for LTCF with bill of sale.
- Asked for DL if no LTCF, with bill of sale.
- Asked for transfer via FLL if really unsure.


Each individual buyer/seller has to decide for themselves what criteria they want or are willing to meet (buyer). Every situation is different (for me).

That's more than fair. You do recognize that some PA residents will not have a LTCF and you are accommodating. My original question had to do with sellers demanding a LTCF in order to do a FTF transfer.