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February 7th, 2018, 08:13 PM #81Grand Member
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February 7th, 2018, 08:27 PM #82Super Member
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Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Was the tail light really not working?
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February 7th, 2018, 08:39 PM #83Active Member
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Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Let me elaborate. If PSP takes a firearm into custody, prior to return, a PICS check will be done and you will be required to sign a document acknowledging receipt of the firearm the moment the PICS check is cleared. This is to prevent them from unwittingly returning a firearm to a prohibited person even though that person might be the record of sale owner.
Now, did PSP take the OPs firearm into custody? I would argue they did. I don’t know under what authority they did so but the fact is they had complete possession and control and didn’t check whether the OP was a prohibited person before they returned it. Or did they?
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February 7th, 2018, 09:32 PM #84
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I've heard of such shenanigans. PSP has a cross section of people just like society. Gun guys like me and ExFlyinguy and guys that come from cities and liberal havens that believe only they should be armed. Guys that are happy to see others armed and guys that are terrified by it. I had traffic stops with guns. Keep your hands on the wheel and we're good.
I know guys that took the bullets from carry guns, guys that disassembled guns as described. Guys that thought they had to run carry guns for stolen.
File a complaint, it's not procedure to disassemble someone's property."A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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February 7th, 2018, 09:48 PM #85
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I am not sure what the chances are of him getting all of that info.
But here is the complaint process:
http://www.psp.pa.gov/contact/Pages/...rocedures.aspx
I am actually surprised this happened with the PSP. Now with PPD, not so much.
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February 7th, 2018, 09:57 PM #86
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I get it and I'm not even try to dispute anything you've said, but I don't understand the logic. The guy was polite, I'm assuming the OP was polite, and compliant so it's not like when he gets his pistol back he's going to flip out and start shooting at the police like some bad Hollywood movie. It's also extremely unlikely that the OP by being annoyed about the incident is going to reassess his life and decide that carrying a gun isn't worth it.
So if it's not for safety and it's not to annoy him into getting rid of his guns, then it's as if the guy is being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. Then again you did say PSP is a cross section of society and we know there are plenty of assholes in society so I guess there's the logic."Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." — Thomas Paine
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February 7th, 2018, 09:58 PM #87
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
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February 7th, 2018, 10:08 PM #88
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February 7th, 2018, 10:26 PM #89Active Member
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Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
To answer a few questions...this absolutely DID happen to me, It was about 9:15 at night and in a previous post somebody thought it was odd for the state police to do a traffic stop and I agree, it was odd because of the line of questioning the trooper who approached me asked. Both troopers were younger guys. The trooper who approached me asked me where I was coming from, I told him work, he asked where that was so I told him the address of the property I was working at ( I do property maintenance for a property management co) He asked me where I was going I told him home, he then asked me how long ago I had left work I told him I just left and was on my way home but he wasn't satisfied, he asked me if I had stopped anywhere on my way I said no...he asked me this several times...enough I thought it odd, so I thought through my travels and then said to him " well I pulled over for a min at the shopping center a few blocks back because I hit a bump with the work van and heard a box of nails fall and I wanted to pick them up before they were all over the place, I just pulled into the entrance to the shopping center jumped out and left the engine running, I was at the back of the van for like 20 seconds then on my way again. He then seemed satisfied and handed me back my licenses and that's when he told me what his partner had done. My work van is a grey 89 ford e150, it has that shady vehicle look to it sorta, even though I have ladder rack and ladders on roof, its obvious to all who see it what it is....its a work van.
I called the local barracks today and spoke with a corporal somebody, who listened to me recall the events and listened to me state that I felt this was over the top and out of line, I then asked him if the troopers were trained to do this, he says yes they are. They feel the need to do so because law abiding compliant citizens sometimes become non compliant as soon as you give them their gun back and they will shoot an officer as he is walking away. I have never heard of this happening and guarantee you if a law abiding licensed carrying person shot a cop in the back it would be all over the news, the anti's would be shouting it from the mountain tops! I didn't say that to him I thought about it afterwards. I told him I was offended and that it was unacceptable, he said he is sorry I feel offended but the world we live in has gotten that bad that this is necessary, He asked me if all of the pieces of my gun were returned to me, I said to him I wouldn't be talking to you in this tone of voice if they hadn't (I was being respectful) I asked him what happens if something is lost or damaged, he says the pa state police are liable for it, Im thinking yeah right, the state police are going to admit to losing or damaging my firearms components and pay for them....I doubt it. I didn't say that to him though. I am going to call the state police internal affairs tomorrow on the above web page.Last edited by Joe88XJ; February 7th, 2018 at 10:31 PM.
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February 7th, 2018, 10:30 PM #90
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Last time I was stopped by PSP about 10 years ago or so, he asked if I had a firearm, I said I did. He asked where it was, I told him and he said ok and walked away.
I guess maybe training has changed since then.Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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