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September 7th, 2011, 09:12 PM #71Member
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
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September 7th, 2011, 09:58 PM #72
Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
If it matters, this is what 410 buck & slug does to ballistic gelatin:
410 bore
Winchester 410 bore 3” shell, 5 pellets of unplated 000 buckshot
Barrel was a break-action, 18” smoothbore
Mean pellet impact velocity was 1107 ± 0.500 ft/sec
Average penetration was 18 ± 0.031”
Block calibrated at 612 ± 0.500 ft/sec and 9.3 ± 0.05cm penetration
Curiously, the temporary cavity on this round never seemed to collapse from its approximately 1.5 ± 0.031” diameter magnitude, for the entire length of the 16.0 ± 0.031” block. All rifle and pistol projectiles seem to create a temporary cavity at the initial inches of penetration and then collapse to the size of the permanent cavity. This load produced an approximate 16”x1.5” diameter temporary cavity.
Penetration = 5.0 ± 0.031" due to breaking-up of projectile. All that was found after the shot was two small shards of lead and the entire volume up to 5.0 ± 0.031" filled with powdered lead.
Impact velocity = 1782 ± 0.500 ft/sec
Barrel was 18.0 ± 0.031" smoothbore with full choke
Block calibrated at 575 ± 0.500 ft/sec and 8.7 ± 0.05cm penetrationGloria: "65 percent of the people murdered in the last 10 years were killed by hand guns"
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September 8th, 2011, 05:41 AM #73Member
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
The slug might have held together better if fired from a cylinder bore barrel of the same length due to less distrotion of the projectile.
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September 8th, 2011, 07:32 AM #74
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
Thanks for the tip!
No one is disputing that 12 gauge 00 buckshot + bad guy = game over. My concern is the implications of firing a 12 gauge with buckshot in a 4' wide hallway with 8' ceilings in the dark, having just been woken from a dead sleep by the dog barking, noises outside, etc...from what others have said it's the equivalent of a flash bang going off next to your head.
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
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September 8th, 2011, 04:12 PM #77
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I hate to break it to you. But anything going off in a hallway is going to be rough. Might as well get it over with as quick as possible. The idea of launching 9 .33 caliber projectiles with only one flash bang going off still trumps 4 with a slightly smaller grenade going off 20" from my face.
If they are in your home and things go south, I want them down and not shooting potentially hitting me or people I care about ASAFP. There is no compromise. If I could own a micro grenade launcher that detonates inside the person after 3-4" of penetration turning them inside out. I would pick that instead.
But until the people exploder 9000 becomes a viable option. I pick 12 gauge. The .410 still gives you the option of multiple projectiles for a given trigger pull increasing the amount of damage per shot. But if that's the route we're going, then let's just go the rest of the way. (12 gauge) Or at least most of the way - 20 gauge.
I'd take a .410 over a pistol.
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September 8th, 2011, 04:27 PM #78Member
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
The 12 gauge is a fine defensive weapon but...
How well could said setup be used by all members of the family ?
The .410 offers less recoil as well as bulk and weight of both the the gun and ammo,more can be carried for the same ammount of space...say like on a buttstock ammo carrier (8-9 shells using a rifle ammo carrier).
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
BCM and Glock...for a bigger pile of 'cold dead hands' brass.
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Re: .410 as a home defense shotgun
The '000' buck is going out of an 18.5 inch cylinder bore barrel @1200 FPS (listed velocity)
The gel test shows 15-18 inches of penetration or over with plain lead,think about how much tougher the copper washed stuff is going to be on target.
Even with heavy clothing that speaks volumes for the smack that stuff is going to give the target.
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