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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    Peter Fritz is also a twat.
    Unfortunately, being a twat, isn't a reason for removal during voir dire.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by middlefinger View Post
    Holy cow. That guy is a lunatic.
    “A Republic, if you can keep it.” - Benjamin Franklin

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCK-IT3 View Post
    Peter Fritz is also a twat.
    Cousin of Gersh, perhaps?
    Aggies Coach Really ??? Take off the tin foil bro.

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Some of these women are so fat they can fit under the pews.

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by middlefinger View Post
    Hope he finds a nice dark alley to walk down in some gun free zone.
    The USA is now a banana republic. Only without the bananas....or the Republic.

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    So much for following the advice I've heard from every lawyer on what to do after a shooting that involves a killing.
    Which is to STFU about it for the rest of your life.
    Yet, there is NO grey area in what happened that day.

    If Wilson is stating the facts, which is, he stopped an ongoing threat, then his thousand words are the picture.
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    Cause white people are awesome. Happy now......LOL.

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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by RockIsland View Post
    To paraphrase the great Phill Kline...

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    Hope they get sued for libel.
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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas

    Typical. The actual true criminals, the ones who they claim they want to keep the guns from and the reason we ‘need’ more “common sense gun laws”, are the ones who receive all the plea deals and have the gun crime charges thrown out. The law abiding citizens, the ones like Shaneen Allen, who make a mistake and cross the bridge with a gun in their car, they are the ones they crucify.
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    Default Re: Good guy shoots bad guy shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas


    IF Texas had any balls they would charge the DA and Judge that accepted the plea as accessories to murder. Likewise for whoever in Oklahoma who was supposed to report his involuntary, court ordered psychiatric commitment and failed to do so.

    Might not stick, but it damned well might. I think you can make a strong case.




    ELIZABETH — The gunman who killed two congregants at a Texas church last month had been charged years earlier with a felony gun offense in New Jersey, where prosecutors later downgraded the crime to a low-level misdemeanor that had nothing to do with firearms.

    Since the Dec. 29 shootout at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas, much has come out about Keith Thomas Kinnunen's criminal record, which seems to follow a pattern: He would get charged with serious, sometimes violent crimes, which later were pleaded down to less-consequential offenses.

    While plea deals are common in the criminal justice system in New Jersey and elsewhere, this case raises questions about the effectiveness of laws meant to bar certain people from buying or possessing guns.

    Despite Kinnunen's history of mental illness — including a 2012 judge's order declaring him unfit to stand trial — it does not appear his plea deals were enough to trigger legal provisions limiting gun ownership, which would apply in cases involving domestic violence and felonies.

    Linden police arrested Kinnunen in Sept. 12, 2016, after finding him with a 12-gauge shotgun, the same kind he used last month in the Texas church. Linden police said Kinnunen, who had been riding a bicycle near the Phillips 66 refinery, told them he was homeless and was taking photos of "interesting sites."

    He was charged with unlawful possession of a rifle/shotgun, a third-degree indictable crime that in other states would be called a felony.

    In January 2017, he accepted a plea deal finding him guilty of criminal trespass, a low-level misdemeanor that state law classifies as a petty disorderly persons offense.

    As part of the deal, a Superior Court judge in July 2017 sentenced him to 303 days of time served at Union County Jail and ordered him to forfeit his weapon.

    A spokesman for the Union County Prosecutor's Office last week defended the deal as "fully reasonable and legally appropriate."

    "The assistant prosecutor assigned to this case consulted with a member of the Union County Police Department Ballistics Unit, who determined that because the recovered weapon was missing a fundamental component, it was inoperable under the definition outlined in the applicable statute," the spokesman for the office said in a written statement.


    In this still frame from livestreamed video provided by law enforcement, churchgoers take cover while a congregant armed with a handgun, top left, engages a man who opened fire. (West Freeway Church of Christ/Courtesy of Law Enforcement via AP)
    In Oklahoma in 2011, Kinnunen was charged with felony assault and battery with a dangerous weapon after attacking the owner of a doughnut shop. He was also charged with arson in a separate offense in which he was accused of starting a fire at a cotton field with flaming tampons. Police also said that he forced his underage to throw around a flaming football.

    An Oklahoma judge in 2012 ruled him mentally incompetent to stand trial and committed him to a psychiatric facility. A year later, he pleaded guilty after the charges were downgraded to misdemeanors.

    In 2012, an ex-wife in Oklahoma filed for a protective order that described him as "a violent, paranoid person with a long line of assault and battery w/ and without firearms."

    Another ex-wife told The Associated Press that they divorced in 2011 after he got “more and more” into drugs that "messed with his head."

    In 2008, he was charged with aggravated assault in Texas. The charged was later downgraded to misdemeanor deadly conduct.

    On Dec. 29, Kinnunen walked into the packed White Settlement church wearing a fake beard and wig and opened fire, killing 67-year-old Richard White and 64-year-old Anton “Tony” Wallace. Kinnunen was then killed by a single shot by security volunteer Jack Wilson.

    The motive for the attack was unclear. The church had previously helped feed the shooter. The pastor told The Associated Press that Kinnunen was angry when the congregation declined to give him money.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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    "Cives Arma Ferant"

    "I know I'm not James Bond, that's why I don't keep a loaded gun under the pillow, or bang Russian spies on a regular basis." - GunLawyer001

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