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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyd2 View Post
    The real sin of this and other similar situations is that PAFOA SHOULD have been set up as the 800 pound gorilla to stand behind such efforts.
    Unfortunately, it was never set up with that much foresight. Anything that's happened while posting here can best be thought of as happening despite PAFOA, not because of it.

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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by FNG19 View Post
    Unfortunately, it was never set up with that much foresight. Anything that's happened while posting here can best be thought of as happening despite PAFOA, not because of it.
    PAFOA is merely a firearm related web forum. Right?
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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    PAFOA is merely a firearm related web forum. Right?
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    Dunno, is it?

    The Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association is a grass-roots non-profit organization created with the goal of preserving the individual right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article 1, Section 21 of Pennsylvania Constitution and the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Dunno, is it?
    I don't care what the mission statement says....It is what it is....a firearm related forum.
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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    PAFOA is merely a firearm related web forum. Right?
    Jules
    PAFOA the non-profit entity is whatever Dan does with it, either in word or in deed, though deeds say more than words do.

    PAFOA the forum, based on a perusal of the content available, is a bunch of people talking about guns and assorted social and legal issues.

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    Default Re: Jim Carrey withdraws support for Kick-Ass 2

    Quote Originally Posted by FNG19 View Post
    PAFOA the non-profit entity is whatever Dan does with it, either in word or in deed, though deeds say more than words do.

    PAFOA the forum, based on a perusal of the content available, is a bunch of people talking about guns and assorted social and legal issues.
    ...like I said, it's a firearm related forum. I am not complaining, but calling it like it is. This has been discussed before at length and I didn't mean to derail the thread.
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    Default Re: Issues with a rally this coming June in Erie.

    Little update.

    Court hearing was today, I wasn't able to make it since I have a blown strut on my car.

    It did hit the news, I will edit this post later with a link to the news.

    Should have an answer in 3-5 days about it. Haven't heard from anyone that was there yet, at least not on an informative basis. Hope to get ahold of someone in the morning, see what all happened.

    As of right now, it is a waiting game.
    I'm so fast, I can bump fire a bolt action.

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    Default Re: Issues with a rally this coming June in Erie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Little update.

    Court hearing was today, I wasn't able to make it since I have a blown strut on my car.

    It did hit the news, I will edit this post later with a link to the news.

    Should have an answer in 3-5 days about it. Haven't heard from anyone that was there yet, at least not on an informative basis. Hope to get ahold of someone in the morning, see what all happened.

    As of right now, it is a waiting game.
    http://www.yourerie.com/news/news-ar...W02vUouATSqHMg

    "Erie police testified the men were either seen or photographed armed with guns during the June 22 rally after being warned that it was against the law to carry a gun into the park.

    The defendants' lawyer, Joshua Prince of Bechtelsville, Berks County, argued that the ordinance itself is invalid under state law and that the city, in any event, failed to prove it was violated.

    Those cited were Justin Dillon, 26, of Erie, who organized the rally, and Edward J. Tenon, 33, of Erie; Christopher Phillips, 45, of Erie; Jay Ziegler, 32, of Erie; Donald L. Davis, 34, of Catasauqua, a suburb of Allentown; Allen E. Lepley, 34, of Canonsburg; Ryan R. Avidne, 21, of Erie; and Brian Shank, 49, of Erie.
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    http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...8199926/0/NEWS
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    Default Re: Issues with a rally this coming June in Erie.

    Thanks for that GL, I was getting ready for bed when I posted that last night.

    Hopefully there will be a good update in the next few days.
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    Default Re: Issues with a rally this coming June in Erie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Thanks for that GL, I was getting ready for bed when I posted that last night.

    Hopefully there will be a good update in the next few days.
    From what I see, there are a few possible outcomes:

    1. The defendants are acquitted without explanation. Since their defense included "the cops couldn't tell if they were real guns", that acquittal does nothing to challenge the local ordinance, because it could be based on lack of evidence or based on a bad ordinance. Basically, a waste of everybody's time, but good that there's no summary convictions for the individuals involved. (In the Anfuso case, the gun on school property, we only had one defense, the "other lawful purpose", so the acquittal meant that this defense worked. Since we won at trial, we didn't get a chance to establish an appellate decision, you need a loser for that, to get to the appeal.)

    2. The defendants are acquitted and the DJ says "the ordinance is preempted". Good for the defendants, mildly useful for the cause (DJ's opinions have effectively no influence or power to bind courts). Very unlikely to happen in a Magisterial court.

    3. Defendants are convicted, and appeals are filed to Common Pleas. A step towards getting an appellate decision to toss the criminal ordinance, which (to me) is quite clearly preempted. Does nothing about the non-criminal regulatory signs posted by property managers that are much more common, but maybe there will be useful dicta somewhere along the way.
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