ACT 235

[godsgift215]

Hello guys. I have a question about the act 235. Is there any kind of weapons that you cant carry? I have heard so many stories of what to have and what not to have. I just looking for come clear and right information

[jerryg]

Your employer will tell you what you can carry.

[godsgift215]

I work for myself. I provide armed security at nightclubs and bars. Philly pd has been a issuse latley say agents cant carry this or that. My question was bascailly saying Does it say any where excalty what we are certified agent can and cant carry?

[WG68]

I am Act 235 certified. You can carry on the job what you qualified, shot with at the 235 firearm portion of the class because, your test results is what the 235 instructor sent into the state and, that is whats on record.

[chrmm22sr]

I'm act 235 qualified and you are not limited to the gun you qualified with only...the employer will dictate the firearm you can use on their site. Some companies will have you requalify with their sidearm of choice as a pre-employment step they most of the time cover the cost.

[tacticalreload]

If you're asking about carrying things other than a firearm, you're going to be subject to two things... first is the laws of the area where you're working. The second is what you (if you're self-employed) or your employer is willing to take on liability for.

By saying that you "work for yourself", I'm guessing that means that the clubs / bars where you provide security pay you as an independent contractor and not an employee. That means that you can basically carry whatever you're willing to take responsibility for. Keep in mind, however, that if you're carrying something like a TASER, which is illegal in Philly IIRC, then PPD can arrest you just like they would if you're Joe Citizen on the street. Furthermore, if you're carrying something like OC spray (which I think is also illegal in Philly), and you use it and get sued, you're going to have a hard time defending yourself in court unless you can demonstrate that you were properly trained / certified in its use. This goes for anything -- TASER, OC, cuffs, baton, firearm, etc.

If you are paid as an employee (ie, taxes withheld, etc.), then it's up to your employer to dictate what you can and can't carry.

I have heard people often say that you can only carry the model firearm that you were using during qualification. While I'm not certain, I'm reasonably sure that this is NOT true. I don't know if that info even gets sent in by the school, but it's certainly not printed anywhere on your card.

One last bit of advice... and keep in mind that IANAL and you should ask a lawyer to advise you... I believe that by the strict letter of the law in PA (Title 22, Private Detective Act of 1953), for you to provide security work as a contractor (ie, acting as your own "security company" and not as an employee), you need a private detective license in PA. The part of the law is as follows:


§ 13. Licenses

(a) No person, partnership, association or corporation, shall engage
in the business of private detective, or the business of investigator, or
the business of watch, guard or patrol agency, for the purpose of
furnishing guards or patrolmen or other persons to protect persons or
property, or to prevent the theft or the unlawful taking of goods, wares
and merchandise, or to prevent the misappropriation or concealment of
goods, wares, merchandise, money, bonds, stocks, documents, and other
articles of value, for hire or reward, or advertise his or their business
to be that of detective, or of a detective agency, or investigator, or
watch, guard or patrol agency, notwithstanding the name or title used in
describing such agency, or notwithstanding the fact that other functions
and services may also be performed for fee, hire or reward, without
having first obtained a license so to do as hereinafter provided.


Look it up here: http://www.pali.org/docs/Pennsylvani...ct_of_1953.pdf

Also, I would seriously think about getting insurance. The rate of lawsuits for that type of work is through the roof.

[chrmm22sr]

Yes he would need to goto the local courthouse for where he lives and apply for a PI license and hearing the application is about 30 pages front and back and will cost at least 300$ off the bat. Trust me im sure of this I did it but keep in mind your resume must prove years of prior expierence that can be verified or you must have worked for a PI for 6 years or so, or basically have been a pd officer