AK or AR?

[Mtbkski]

The AR platform kills more effectively.

The platform doesn't kill the round does. And realistically, the AK fires a bigger and nastier round.

But your right, the platform of your AR definitely out performs the standard AK. But that is the problem. Everyone compares the $1000 AR to a $450 AK. I sure as hell hope your gun runs better than that one.

But then, if I was to spend as much on an AK as you have on your AR. And there are AK's out there that work, shoot, and perform really well. I would have a pretty damn good piece of weaponry that would shoot really well. Be extremely reliable and just might have you ducking a bit more often in a fire fight. Not saying they will ever shoot as accurately. But if I purchased a high end model. I'm betting your advantage would disappear rather quickly.

If you have an AK, and I have an AR , you will be dead long before you get close enough to accurately hit me.

Nah, your gun will jam, I'll rush you and kill you. Just kidding. Remember, realistically, your not going to be taking nice easy shot, off a rest. We both will be running and gunning. Which will probably make us a bit more even. First thing I'm going to do is remove your advantage. I'm not stupid. I'll stay in heavy cover where you lose your range advantage. Come and get me. My heavier round will work better in the heavy brush anyway.

I like the AR, but if it really was the greatest thing out there. The rest of the world would be using AR's. Every country out there would be making their version of it and using it in their armies. Drug Lords will have nothing but in their arsenals. Cartels would carry them everywhere. Warlords would have them by the bucket loads. Small foreign countries would be buying them from drug runners. But they aren't. Ask yourself why not. If the AR was so great, So wonderful, and such a great gun. Why hasn't the rest of the world jumped on board and started making their own version of this rifle. If it really was the cat's meow. The whole world would be using it by now. They aren't.


The AK vs AR debate is like a Ford vs Chevy debate. There is no right answer. It is all up to the person using it. You like these, I like those. Which of us is right? Depends on which of us you ask.

Hopefully, they both work well if we every have to shoot zombies or worse yet, defend ourselves and family against a government gone crazy. I'll stand beside anyone holding an AR any day when that day comes. You'll need me there when your gun jams.

[Gun]

... Why hasn't the rest of the world jumped on board and started making their own version of this rifle. If it really was the cat's meow. The whole world would be using it by now. They aren't. Stamping out metal parts is easier.


The AK vs AR debate is like a Ford vs Chevy debate. If you are comparing a Corvette to an Expedition, yes.

The rebels in Afghanistan used a Chinese produced rifle when fighting the USSR forces occupying their country. How did that work out for the Soviets?

[Mtbkski]

The rebels in Afghanistan used a Chinese produced rifle when fighting the USSR forces occupying their country. How did that work out for the Soviets?

Just about the same as it is for us, I'm sorry to say.

[pitt45GAP]

I agree it hasn't gone perfectly .... BUT

We aren't losing tanks and helos.

We had 2 goals.
1. Disrupt al Qaeda and wack obl.
2. Remove the supporting govt.

I think you can say at those 2 items we have had success.

Unfortunately it is impossible to kill a belief, an ideal or a religion.

The harder you push the more those who hold those positions push back.

If I am wrong there would be no communists or socialists.

Unfortunately no weapon, no bullet no words will wipe out a belief or an idea.

A better goal may be simply containment.

But we have had much wider success than the soviets did.

[Mtbkski]

Why hasn't the rest of the world jumped on board and started making their own version of this rifle. If it really was the cat's meow. The whole world would be using it by now. They aren't. Stamping out metal parts is easier.

Lots of other countries that have money to buy and use any rifle they want, still aren't using the AR. Or the AK for that matter. So, I'm not saying the AK is the greatest rifle either.

It comes down to what you like. Apparently we are the only country that really thinks the AR platform is the greatest, or, I'm sure we would sell a lot of them to countries that are allies. Do you think Bushmaster would pass up a deal on 10,000 rifles to a country that supports us, if they wanted them?

But money talks. And lots of people (countries), Good and Bad, have the money to buy any weapon that want, and they aren't snapping up AR's. And if they really were the greatest rifle out there, don't you think that it would be the rifle that would be in demand by them. There are a lot of rifles out there that are amazing. The U.S. military and most of its civilians likes the AR format. The rest of the world doesn't think so, that's OK, they are allowed to be wrong.

Agreed, the AK is easy to produce, that is why it is everywhere. And it is cheap. It is the answer for the guy that can't afford an AR, but wants a reliable rifle to defend himself or family if needed.

Like I said. There is no right answer. It comes down to what YOU like. What you shoot well. What you feel confident using. What you can afford to buy. What you feel works best for you.

I don't think the AR is a piece of junk. I think it is a hell of a gun. Almost built myself one. Instead, I decided to buy two more AK's for what it would have cost me to build the AR the way I wanted it. This way, I only have to buy one kind of ammo. What can I say. I like my AK's. You like your AR's. All is good. I still respect you.

[animalmother85]

The platform doesn't kill the round does. And realistically, the AK fires a bigger and nastier round.

But your right, the platform of your AR definitely out performs the standard AK. But that is the problem. Everyone compares the $1000 AR to a $450 AK. I sure as hell hope your gun runs better than that one.

But then, if I was to spend as much on an AK as you have on your AR. And there are AK's out there that work, shoot, and perform really well. I would have a pretty damn good piece of weaponry that would shoot really well. Be extremely reliable and just might have you ducking a bit more often in a fire fight. Not saying they will ever shoot as accurately. But if I purchased a high end model. I'm betting your advantage would disappear rather quickly.



Nah, your gun will jam, I'll rush you and kill you. Just kidding. Remember, realistically, your not going to be taking nice easy shot, off a rest. We both will be running and gunning. Which will probably make us a bit more even. First thing I'm going to do is remove your advantage. I'm not stupid. I'll stay in heavy cover where you lose your range advantage. Come and get me. My heavier round will work better in the heavy brush anyway.

I like the AR, but if it really was the greatest thing out there. The rest of the world would be using AR's. Every country out there would be making their version of it and using it in their armies. Drug Lords will have nothing but in their arsenals. Cartels would carry them everywhere. Warlords would have them by the bucket loads. Small foreign countries would be buying them from drug runners. But they aren't. Ask yourself why not. If the AR was so great, So wonderful, and such a great gun. Why hasn't the rest of the world jumped on board and started making their own version of this rifle. If it really was the cat's meow. The whole world would be using it by now. They aren't.


The AK vs AR debate is like a Ford vs Chevy debate. There is no right answer. It is all up to the person using it. You like these, I like those. Which of us is right? Depends on which of us you ask.

Hopefully, they both work well if we every have to shoot zombies or worse yet, defend ourselves and family against a government gone crazy. I'll stand beside anyone holding an AR any day when that day comes. You'll need me there when your gun jams.

The Mk262mod1 will outperform any 7.62x39 round produced to date...and the Mk262mod1 isn't even the most devastating round available. The 7.62x39 round is has similar ballistics to that of a 30-30.


Show me an AK of equal quality or an AK that would be priced at $1,000. I'm sure there is one that is marked up to that, but it's still an AK. A "high end model" Ak (if that does exist) still won't out shoot a Colt 6920 of the LE/MIL variant.


Me being an OEF Vet and have had loaded a comrade's body onto a UH-60, you've struck a nerve by bringing up the current events in South West Asia, insinuating that we're on the same plane as the Soviets. The fact of the matter is, it's not what rifle works in Afghanistan (which I can tell you from experience, the M4/M16 works much better than ANY Soviet design in Afghanistan), it's the political climate that holds us back, as it were the same with the Soviets. Sure, we could conquer Afghanistan, especially with all the technological advantages we have today, but we as the Americans, are not in the business of genocide, so your point here is moot.

I have yet to find a country that has said, "We have the money, give us the best rifle ever" over "This is what we require, lowest bid wins".

The AK is a good choice for someone who needs a rifle to defend his family and that is still on a budget. It is a bargain for the price. However; the AR is like a Glock. Once you learn how to handle and shoot one, you will shoot it better than any other firearm.

I know exactly what my rifle can and cannot do.

My rifle won't jam because it has been assembled and handled correctly. I will have a spot next to me for you. We both are gun guys, the only difference is that your preference is slightly skewed .

[LifeInPa]

Lots of other countries that have money to buy and use any rifle they want, still aren't using the AR. Or the AK for that matter. So, I'm not saying the AK is the greatest rifle either.

It comes down to what you like. Apparently we are the only country that really thinks the AR platform is the greatest, or, I'm sure we would sell a lot of them to countries that are allies. Do you think Bushmaster would pass up a deal on 10,000 rifles to a country that supports us, if they wanted them?

But money talks. And lots of people (countries), Good and Bad, have the money to buy any weapon that want, and they aren't snapping up AR's. And if they really were the greatest rifle out there, don't you think that it would be the rifle that would be in demand by them. There are a lot of rifles out there that are amazing. The U.S. military and most of its civilians likes the AR format. The rest of the world doesn't think so, that's OK, they are allowed to be wrong.

Agreed, the AK is easy to produce, that is why it is everywhere. And it is cheap. It is the answer for the guy that can't afford an AR, but wants a reliable rifle to defend himself or family if needed.

Like I said. There is no right answer. It comes down to what YOU like. What you shoot well. What you feel confident using. What you can afford to buy. What you feel works best for you.

I don't think the AR is a piece of junk. I think it is a hell of a gun. Almost built myself one. Instead, I decided to buy two more AK's for what it would have cost me to build the AR the way I wanted it. This way, I only have to buy one kind of ammo. What can I say. I like my AK's. You like your AR's. All is good. I still respect you.

Why do most other countries not adopt the AR? Because they rather adopt a rifle that was designed by their own countrymen. The others who use the AK do it because they cannot afford a better rifle and/or lack the capability/resources to design their own. Also more countries use the AR than you imply.

[sprrdhawk44]

For the love of God and all things Holy, enough. Seriously, if you want a AK buy it. If you want a AR, buy it.

[MiniDevil]

The platform doesn't kill the round does. And realistically, the AK fires a bigger and nastier round.

But your right, the platform of your AR definitely out performs the standard AK. But that is the problem. Everyone compares the $1000 AR to a $450 AK. I sure as hell hope your gun runs better than that one.

Any chance you could guide me to where 450.00 AKs are? I have seen AKs and ARs priced about the same

[pitt45GAP]

Any chance you could guide me to where 450.00 AKs are? I have seen AKs and ARs priced about the same

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...x39+AK+Variant