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June 21st, 2017, 08:21 AM #31
Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
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June 21st, 2017, 09:06 AM #32Grand Member
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Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I agree somewhat with Gunlawyer.
I think blacks want to make a political statement and / or a permit holder believes their permit is a bullet proof vest.
When a confrontation occurs and a gun is pointed at you, it is not a time for pushing agendas. Deescalate. Time to put on your emotional quotient hats and put yourself in the place of your 'opressor' or the person holding you at gun point. Build rapport, think what you would want you to do if you were in their place. Survive the incident, sue later.
Also, one doesn' know if you fit descriptions of felons etc.
So if a cop accosts you at gun point, put your hands up to show you are unarmed but keep walking towards them and ignore all their commands? Make your point that way but don't be surprised if you are not around for the post incident interviews.
I have been at the business end of firearms a couple of times in my life. I cooperated immediately in once case (non-cop) and in another I went quiet and slowly moved away at night on the DMZ in Korea. (And yes, the bolt was on 5.56 and yes I heard the round chamber-not an empty bolt going forward!)It is you. You have all the weapons that you need. Now fight. --Sucker Punch
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June 21st, 2017, 10:33 AM #33
Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I agree, the F.A.T.S. Training is actually more relevant than range training, once one has demonstrated marksmanship and that they can safely and competently handle a firearm.
I saw a news clip awhile ago where reporters and community activists got a chance to participate in a few training scenarios. The outcome was very eye opening.
I think it would be very interesting and educational if a few Poofa folks could experience a couple training scenarios from an officers side of the firearm.
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June 21st, 2017, 11:22 AM #34Super Member
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Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I think part of the problem is the training. Police are trained that everyone is trying to kill them constantly, they also train to always be ready to shoot someone.
Maybe we need several types of police. Traffic types who are not armed, issue tickets or use video in order in order to mail them? Then the armed guys for executing warrants.
I know getting pulled over in dillsburg, tiny town, with my family in the car and the cop acting like he is ready to shoot me and making threats about impounding my car, is not needed.
The current system is not working very well. Many people are losing their confidence in the police to actually get their job done and are also losing their trust of them.
How many of the training videos have armed people and the goal isn't to shoot them?
Maybe the police should have duty to retreat until a gun is actually out or a shot fired?
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June 21st, 2017, 11:28 AM #35Super Member
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Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
He might keep the license on the same side as his gun. Probably also told to never reach or move before the cops get to you. Maybe the 28 other times he was pulled over he informed the cop and then reached for and handed them his papers.
This whole cop traffic thing is a mess and should just end.
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June 21st, 2017, 11:33 AM #36
Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I've always been advised it's best to keep your insurance card in the vehicle and your license and registration on your person, i.e., in your wallet. That way, if the car is stolen the thief doesn't have the owner's card, too. Maybe not a big deal in then end, especially once the car is reported stolen, but still, depending on circumstances, you may not know for some time a car was stolen.
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June 21st, 2017, 11:40 AM #37Senior Member
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Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I've been advised to keep registration and insurance in the car, so that someone who has permission to drive the vehicle has those documents if needed. May not be an issue for a single person, families it may be an issue with multiple drivers.
Let's go Brandon!!!
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June 21st, 2017, 12:23 PM #38
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June 21st, 2017, 12:48 PM #39
Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
I love the suggestion about having traffic cops be unarmed. Gonna be a lot of people lining up for that job I bet.
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June 21st, 2017, 12:56 PM #40
Re: Philando Castile verdict not a good omen for concealed carriers
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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