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January 5th, 2018, 12:38 AM #71
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January 5th, 2018, 12:41 AM #72Active Member
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Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
In 2016 there were 912,000 buck tags sold with the general license, only 149,000 were used. That is just over 16% of the total available tags, I don't see how selling an additional 10,000 would be a problem from a management stand point when realistically less than half of them would be used. Even if all of them were utilized that 10,000 is simply the overal difference between years, from 2013 to 2016 the buck harvests were 133k, 119k, 134k, 149k. So from a management perspective the impact would be rather limited.
As for budget I'm not sure what all their operating costs are but the license price is the same as the 90's yet they have lost a third of their budget, even if they downsize you reach a point where you simply can't trim the fat any more.
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January 5th, 2018, 01:00 AM #73Active Member
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Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
Well damn I was hoping to avoid that label.
To clarify, my rifle is a 1941 Model 70 with an old red field scope and I wear my dad's old jacket and grandfathers hat. I gutted the deer with the same knife my dad gave me the year I started hunting and used it to quarter the deer before butchering the meat and taking only the head and cape over to the taxidermist.
We typically just cut the skull but decided to get the heads mounted because my dad, brother and I all got 8pt bucks on opening day for the very first time. Two of which were the biggest we had taken on the property in the 30+ years we hunted there. It was my first buck in 6 years and my dad's first in 13 years. It's going in the office because the man cave has to many cabinets of reloading stuff blocking the walls.
So while I'm from the philly burbs that's about all I got in common with the people in your post.
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January 5th, 2018, 01:16 AM #74
Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
Well you didn't give me much to go on...
Had you originally mentioned the butchering of the meat, the 30 years hunting the same property etc. I'd not have said "yup"
Point is I'm not out to 'categorize' folks. But I hope you recognize there -is- a category of "gentry hunter" who climbs into his luxury SUV, grabs his expensive gun and pristine clothes and comes out here to the 'hinterlands' just for an 'experience' resulting in a trophy. Such people aren't 'bad' per se, but it's a different thing than a dedicated hunter.DGAF
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January 5th, 2018, 10:22 AM #75Active Member
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Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
My opinion of the accuracy of the harvest report has been supported by my anecdotal experience afield. It is under reported. Those who process their own deer often don’t report their harvest, those who take illegal deer (and the Game Commission grossly under estimates this) ditto, the deer that are wasted afield (lplenty this year with no tracking snow) also not counted. The simple fact is the Game Commission must make an “educated” guess about the harvest. If they are as under staffed as the latest annual report bemoans....that casts further doubt. Deer roadkill’s are also grossly underestimated.
As is, the Commission does not have the authority to increase hunting and furtaking license fees. There was legislation offered to allow this but it languished without action and expired. I expect that a significant increase will occur if not this year, next and it will very nearly double every single permit cost and expand fees. I am not against small incremental license fee increases but the current situation in the legislature historically works against this. Perhaps a reorganization of funding should be addressed but until these fixes occur, the Game Commission will lose credibility with the public further and the status of the Commonwealths wildlife will suffer.
The solution lies with the House Game and Fisheries Committee and the General Assembly not with brainstorming by appointed regional commissioners who aren’t trained resource managers or compensated by the Commission.
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January 5th, 2018, 10:25 AM #76Active Member
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Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
I know I was vague on purpose to see what kind of response I would get. I was hoping for something about cars you can't even put a deer in and only going 10ft into the woods so they don't get muddy or scratch the gun. Also on the car note my dad was hunting years ago and shot a deer that ran down and died next to the road. 10 min later two guys in a brand new Jeep Cherokee are riding down the road, see the deer, stop, throw it onto the roof rack, tuck the hooves in and book it away. My dad wanted to yell at them not to take it but he was laughing so hard he couldn't.
I have met people in that gentry hunter category though they typically don't make it up to hunt with us more than once if at all. Those types of people are usually self centered which does not fit with our "if one of us gets a deer it's like we all got a deer" group hunting mentality. We all hunt together, drive together and when we butcher all the deer go together and divide up the meat evenly. Some are only in it for themselves and don't care if anyone else gets anything.
My brother brought a guy up who was all about getting himself a deer and after hearing a couple shots decided to wander off during a drive. He ended up in the middle of the thick stuff with the drivers while the deer ran right past where we put him. In addition to that safety hazard he then complained that we put him in a bad spot as several others in the group got deer. Needless to say he was not invited back.Last edited by CMP703006; January 5th, 2018 at 10:47 AM.
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January 5th, 2018, 10:34 AM #77Active Member
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Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
The wildlife in the Commonwealth are not a commodity which can be sold on the open market. They are a resource belonging to all citizens of the Commonwealth whether they are wealthy millionaires or poor. They are entrusted to the Game Commission as managers for the perpetuity of the resource and as a guarantee to all beneficiaries of equal access. Many hunters don’t hunt on their own private land. They rely on public land and the graciousness of private landholders. With one million hunters licensed and afield at any one time, conflicts exist.
Perhaps, the Commission has been too successful in its management over the years. It has never been easier to have success taking deer, bear and turkey than it is today.
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January 5th, 2018, 10:43 AM #78
Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
We are in the same club (:
Not a diver, are you? (:
The experience you describe already exists. Such operations are referred to as "cattle boats". They're not free - and they're not THAT much cheaper than the quality operations. But they do "cater to the masses". The people on these boats tend to be VERY casual divers...as in, make 2 dives/year, maybe...when they're on their cruise ship vacation, or new divers who don't know there are better operations, or simply fuckers that are SO cheap, they're not willing to pay 20% more for an experience that is 500% better. These boats are full of people with shitty to virtually non-existent diving skills, who are likely to rent ALL the gear and are an accident waiting to happen in the water. I would not dive with these operations, even if they offered their services at no charge.
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January 5th, 2018, 10:48 AM #79
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January 5th, 2018, 11:05 AM #80
Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab
Let's look at PGC's 2016 budget:
http://www.pgc.pa.gov/InformationRes...e%20Report.pdf
$108,306,212 in REVENUE alone.
$99,456,419 in expenditure (and most of those are a joke...43 mil in habitat management, HA!)
That's $8,849,793 surplus and the greedy fuckers want more.
Yet in the mean time they closed the pheasant farms.
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