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March 16th, 2009, 11:16 AM #21
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Complete wrong answer. He was repeatedly arrested for violating the PFA? WHY WASN'T HE ARRESTED FOR ASSAULTING HER? The whole idea behind a PFA is wrong. If she came to you knowing she was in a bad situation that she needed to get out of, she should have gotten out of it. The PFA wasn't necessary to help her.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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March 16th, 2009, 11:25 AM #22
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Completely understood.
With that being said, why not skip the BS once you've filed the PFA (for legit reasons) and start carrying.
Anyone attacking my daughter/wife would get whatever I could dish out - father bear syndrome we'll call it. I'm a calm and rational guy. I don't jump to conclusions or look for a fight or anything but god help anyone who tries to hurt my family. I'd promptly be looking for an opportunity to make sure they served time...if they're nutty enough to attack with a weapon and it came down to it - I'd hate to do it but would.
I understand that a PFA is a tool, but if it's a tool that doesn't work - why bother? Most of the time to me it seems like a "I know you're going to violate this so Im just getting it so I can use it in court" piece of paper.
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March 16th, 2009, 11:50 AM #23
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
PFA's are effective when the shitbird can not be shot When they are parked outside the house at 1:00 am blowing the horn. When they show up at her place of work or at her Parent's house. It is to curtail the conduct that does not rise to imminent danger but rather is for the purpose to raise alarm and anguish. When the authorities/Police hear that it is a PFA issue, they are already on "step 4" and are dealing with a known/documented issue. They are actually more effective on the bothersome nitwits than they are on real threats. Real threats should only be met with real violence.
I am currently in possession of several firearms that I got from a Client that was the subject of a BS PFA. It is a fact of life.
Be safe (and don't pick a goofball).
Scott
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March 16th, 2009, 12:07 PM #24
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Because police have no jurisdiction in mental health matters, so the moment the hospital called the shrink in they were out of the picture. He knew how to work the system and used it to walk free instead of going to jail.
The whole idea behind a PFA is wrong. If she came to you knowing she was in a bad situation that she needed to get out of, she should have gotten out of it. The PFA wasn't necessary to help her.
With the PFA he lost his right to see the child he tried to kill. With the PFA he was prohibitted from going within 300 feet of her job, home or car. With the PFA he was prohibitted from going within 300 feet of her at all. With the PFA, actions that would otherwise be a summary harassment offense with no arrest and just a fine instead resulted in immediate arrest and a trip to prison until the hearing for violating the PFA. With the PFA she had one more tool to use to get away from him and keep him away from her.Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 12:12 PM #25
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March 16th, 2009, 12:25 PM #26
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
She doesn't like guns, its why she got the OC spray and personal alarm. She's not against owning guns, she supports the right to own and carry them and thinks most gun laws should be repealed. Once they're old enough that she feels they're ready to learn, if either of her kids (one from a marriage and one from the wackjob) wanna shoot she's going to bring them to me to have me teach them the basics.
Anyone attacking my daughter/wife would get whatever I could dish out - father bear syndrome we'll call it. I'm a calm and rational guy. I don't jump to conclusions or look for a fight or anything but god help anyone who tries to hurt my family. I'd promptly be looking for an opportunity to make sure they served time...if they're nutty enough to attack with a weapon and it came down to it - I'd hate to do it but would.
I understand that a PFA is a tool, but if it's a tool that doesn't work - why bother? Most of the time to me it seems like a "I know you're going to violate this so Im just getting it so I can use it in court" piece of paper.
Before he went totally over the edge and she got the PFA and left him, he'd stop into her job every couple hours to "make sure she was safe," which was really just his way of not letting her out of his sight any longer than he had to. Several of his violations were him deciding he needed to get gas to top off his tank and spending a whole dollar (or less) to do it. Nothing illegal about buying gas from a 24hr convenience store at 3am, best she could hope would be getting him for harassment without the PFA. With it, as soon as he got out of the car she was hitting the security button, the security service had his pic and knew about the PFA so they called the police and he got taken away in cuffs.Please help my Baby Kitties and I avoid being homeless.
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March 16th, 2009, 12:47 PM #27
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
I do not believe that the rights losses associated with these PFA's can be justified against the safety issues they sometimes provide. Proper application of basic laws would solve most of these problems. Another generally unpopular solution is personal responsibility. The difficulty in getting away from these abusive situations can almost always be boiled down to not being willing to give up your comfort level to ensure your safety, or that of your kids. If you feel you are in danger, protect yourself. If you can't stand up to the threat, get away from the threat, get help dealing with the threat. If the abuser is an extreme case of slippery, use extreme measures to ensure your safety. But PFA's provide the opportunity to violate the rights of people under the color of public safety, with no due process. They sacrifice the liberty of all, for the safety of a few. The poster children for these things are "defenseless women and children". Making better choices in life usually removes people from these type of situations. There are always going to be extreme exceptions, and that sucks, but it is also part of life. Much like the Patriot Act, these things are more dangerous than they are helpful.
ETA~
In this case there are a few glaring things, she stopped him from killing himself, then he attacked her? You witnessed him endangering the welfare of a child, among other crimes, and..? It is a very familiar sounding situation, and one that very often winds up with the woman crying in court about how she was helpless to do anything about her situation, or her dead. The usual reason being her inability to do what she should to punish him and protect herself.Last edited by headcase; March 16th, 2009 at 12:56 PM.
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than to those attending too small a degree of it."~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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March 16th, 2009, 12:55 PM #28
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Skeet is a sport where you are better to hit half of each bird then completely blast one and miss the other completely.
The choice is yours, place your faith in the court system and 12 of your peers, or carried away by 6 friends.
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Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
i agree.
however, there needs to be serious, serious ramifications for women who abuse PFAs...like jail time--in the amount of years.
a PFA can destroy a man's life. the intentional misue of them is not much different from the intentional misues of a firearm. further, they are an instrument of the state. so, when PFAs are abused, the state is a party to it. the state cannot allow itself to be used by one citizen to unjustifiably deny the rights of another.F*S=k
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March 16th, 2009, 01:12 PM #30
Re: Well it happened, PFA on my friend and he has questions
Buddy of mine was going through a divorce (she was cheating on him).
The PFA was awarded with no proof at all. she claimed she was in fear for her life and used a "domestic" issue that had occurred months earlier when they were arguing loudly and someone called the police.
Of course it was awarded, within one swipe of a pen from a judge who had NEVER spoken with him, he was barred for contact with his kids, no access to his house or bank accounts and obviously no contact with his (now ex) wife. In addition the judge awarded child support and alimony to the mother for the time where he would be out of the house. He was permitted to go in (while escorted by a deputy) to gather a bag of clothing, which he then gave to the wife to confirm she was fine with him taking the stuff.
took like 2 months to get it all resolved and finally meet with the judge. when they walked into the court room she just said "I'm dropping it" and that was the end of it. He was out over 1500 in alimony and I think almost 2k in child support, I'm pretty sure he was able to (eventually) get the Alimony back. well by "back" i mean credited to what he "owes".
PFA should be called "Protection from law abiding men who wouldn't do anything anyway so that women can do whatever they want without them around".The first vehicles normally on the scene of a crime are ambulances and police cruisers. If you are armed you have a chance to decide who gets transported in which vehicle, if you are not armed then that decision is made for you.
Be prepared, because someone else already is and no one knows their intent except them.
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