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August 14th, 2010, 04:56 PM #31
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August 14th, 2010, 05:20 PM #32Super Member
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Re: Is 38 +P as good a defensive round as 9mil?
Back to the OP: .38+p is about equal to 9MM in most cases. (How's that for a cop out answer?)
This "discussion" got me thinking..... which has more power: a .22LR or a slingshot? Anyone know the balistics of various "slingshots"?
I'd be willing to bet that, down through history, more people have been wounded and killed by the slingshot!
(Sorry about the hi-jack)
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August 14th, 2010, 05:21 PM #33
Re: Is 38 +P as good a defensive round as 9mil?
Energy is about as useless as determining effectiveness as a .22lr is at self defense.
Energy tells us nothing about what the round being fired will do to a bad guy, other than the initial kinetic energy is has at the muzzle. We should be looking for penetration depth, expansion, and expansion against clothing.Jeff Cooper was a huge supporter of gun games, when he was winning them at least...
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August 14th, 2010, 07:57 PM #34
Re: Is 38 +P as good a defensive round as 9mil?
Assuming that HP rounds of the same grain count and design are flying from equal length barrels I'd say the advantage still goes (slightly) to the 9 para over 38+P.
Once you start factoring in the form factors (5 or 6 shot revolver vs. 10++round semiauto) and the available bullet choices then the pendulum shifts a bit more in favor of the 9 mm.
The .38+P is more than enough knockdown power, though, especially if you're using something like Speer Gold Dots in 125 gr. I'd hate to get hit by one of those.These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for. LMAO
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August 14th, 2010, 08:01 PM #35
Re: Is 38 +P as good a defensive round as 9mil?
Yes, but not so fast my friend ;->
The OP specifically said .38+P. Sierra 50th Anniversary Handgun gives a maximum normal pressure load at 367fpe (125gr HP @ 1150fps). The max .357 load with the same bullet is listed at 1500fps and 624fpe. In the right revolver, you can push .38 loads well into .357 territory. Ballistically, I think it is a wash.
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August 14th, 2010, 08:37 PM #36
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August 14th, 2010, 08:43 PM #37Super Member
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Re: Is 38 +P as good a defensive round as 9mil?
"what is knockdown power?"
The power to knock down.
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August 14th, 2010, 08:46 PM #38
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