Gun Violence Tax passes Unanimously

[t1066]

If you don't understand that anti-gun violence programs is a euphemism for gun control, you should leave now and never come back.

Fuckin' A.


Unbelievable.

Damn, can't rep either of you two.

[c45man]

That would be unfortunate if the tax dollars never came to fruition. Nothing wrong with an effort to curb the gun violence that plagues cities across the country.

tax dollars such as these will curb gun violence.. I can only take that as over the top sarcasm. If not, there is nothing wrong with curbing gun violence, but taxing legitimate firearm owners for the sake of criminals that in most cases obtain their firearms illegally, is not going to curb or reduce gun violence. If the taxes go high enough, it may stop people with limited resources from purchasing guns, and even that remains to be seen, but expectation of reducing violence over taxation is far fetched. I sincerely believe that whatever device or product that an out of control government wants to be gotten rid of will be either taxed, restricted, or legislated out of existence. I understand your frustration Jap, but try to keep a clear head on this issue.

How much taxation (money) on curbing crime is it going to take to teach people that unjustified shootings are wrong?

[GeneCC]

The money is going to be used for anti gun violence programs. I'm in favor of reducing gun violence across the country.

I prefer to reduce violence by putting the fear of quick violent painful death into the minds of human predators. They should have the expectation that they each time they treat someone like a "mark", to reduce them to a thing, that they take a chance of getting very bad hurt or very dead.

So to me money spent on anti-violence programs should be spent at the range and learning situational awareness. So that enough people are out there, like human land mines, waiting to go "boom" when a human predator steps to all of us. So that they make a business decision to find honest work, something that they should have been taught growing up.

The collectivistic non-sense of "community action" is a violent form of Kumbayah, consciousness raising and ultimately making people into passive things, into human livestock. We're people, not livestock, not children and the world ain't a Romper Room. We need the room to breathe, grow and contribute to the world around us. I'm a person, not a cog in Society's machine and not Mike Bloomberg's human livestock or one of his children.

I think I speak for most of the folks here. Ain't wrong to terrify human predators, it's a sacred duty in fact.

[IGPJAP]

All a gun store in Seattle has to say is we won't collect your tax. We challenge your ability to impose that tax.

In some fantasy land that might happen. Unless the shop owner has 2,000 cans of food in his basement, wears a tin foil hat, stocks gas masks, and has his 5 year old kid on the lookout for Obama and Holder in the backyard, he'll be collecting the tax like he's supposed to or he'll be in jail.

[IGPJAP]

What's an anti gun violence program? Is that where they execute repeat offenders? I'd pay an extra penny per round of .22lr for that. Another talking point, pie in the sky "program" without teeth, not so much.

It's when they take our money and use it against us by supporting the Brady campaign, and Mom's demand action while starting firearm fear and smear campaigns in the schools or where ever else they can to get to the youngsters before they can think for themselves.

If you don't understand that anti-gun violence programs is a euphemism for gun control, you should leave now and never come back.

Fuckin' A.


Unbelievable.

This has about as much to do with preventing gun violence as cameras at intersections have to do with traffic safety.

It's just an easy way to raise revenue without putting forth any effort to solve the problem.

From NY SAFE

Anti gun violence programs will partner with local law enforcement – police departments, sheriffs’ offices, district attorneys’ offices and probation departments – to provide additional resources that allow those agencies to better serve and protect their communities. Key to those efforts are a variety of programs designed to specifically target violent and gun crime in the state’s urban centers, many of which involve partnerships with community-based programs, ranging from Boys and Girls Clubs and YWCAs to hospitals and churches and other religious organizations.

Keeping children engaged in after school programs and showing them there are better alternatives than joining a gang and acting like a thug. Nothing but good can come from programs like this. I've been a part of them in Philadelphia for two decades and have seen firsthand the success of many of them.

Every government program that is funded by our tax dollars isn't some back door conspiracy that "they is comin to take yer gunz".......Why so much paranoia. This place wasn't like this a year or two ago, WTF.....

[JenniferG]

In some fantasy land that might happen. Unless the shop owner has 2,000 cans of food in his basement, wears a tin foil hat, stocks gas masks, and has his 5 year old kid on the lookout for Obama and Holder in the backyard, he'll be collecting the tax like he's supposed to or he'll be in jail.

What is the city going to do about it? They will try to enforce an illegal tax and the shop owner takes the city court and proves to the court the law is illegal, the law is abolished and the city is made to pay all court costs. The tax payers pick up the costs and nothing but loss is incurred by the city. This is why they have preemption in the first place, to stop irresponsible unaccountable city councils from turning city into fiefdoms. This is why leftist should be barred from holding office.

[JenniferG]

Every government program that is funded by our tax dollars isn't some back door conspiracy that "they is comin to take yer gunz".......Why so much paranoia. This place wasn't like this a year or two ago, WTF.....

It is a scheme to confiscate guns and violate the constitution. This forum and it's members have always been against the government using tax money to enforce unconstitutional laws. Obama and his minions on the left have made it quite clear they are anti second amendment and cannot be trusted to uphold the oaths of office. That's not paranoia that's pure fact.

[IGPJAP]

What is the city going to do about it? They will try to enforce an illegal tax and the shop owner takes the city court and proves to the court the law is illegal, the law is abolished and the city is made to pay all court costs. The tax payers pick up the costs and nothing but loss is incurred by the city. This is why they have preemption in the first place, to stop irresponsible unaccountable city councils from turning city into fiefdoms. This is why leftist should be barred from holding office.

The only problem is that Seattle consulted with state leadership before enacting the tax to make sure it would go smoothly. It's a done deal. The tax is legal under Washington State Law. The state won't be challenging it.

[IGPJAP]

It is a scheme to confiscate guns and violate the constitution. This forum and it's members have always been against the government using tax money to enforce unconstitutional laws. Obama and his minions on the left have made it quite clear they are anti second amendment and cannot be trusted to uphold the oaths of office. That's not paranoia that's pure fact.

Obama strengthened our right to carry in national parks. That PURE FACT. That's hardly anti 2nd amendment.

[jw34]

From NY SAFE

Anti gun violence programs will partner with local law enforcement – police departments, sheriffs’ offices, district attorneys’ offices and probation departments – to provide additional resources that allow those agencies to better serve and protect their communities. Key to those efforts are a variety of programs designed to specifically target violent and gun crime in the state’s urban centers, many of which involve partnerships with community-based programs, ranging from Boys and Girls Clubs and YWCAs to hospitals and churches and other religious organizations.

Keeping children engaged in after school programs and showing them there are better alternatives than joining a gang and acting like a thug. Nothing but good can come from programs like this. I've been a part of them in Philadelphia for two decades and have seen firsthand the success of many of them.

Every government program that is funded by our tax dollars isn't some back door conspiracy that "they is comin to take yer gunz".......Why so much paranoia. This place wasn't like this a year or two ago, WTF.....

**cough-cough-bullshit-cough***

Anti gun violence programs partnering with local LE, etc.. ?

Read through that again and tell me what you see. But read between the lines. In short, it says..... The govt wants to use your hard earned tax dollars, to pay govt employees, to teach your children, how not to be assholes. The govt should have no part in raising your children. That's the job of the parents.

Wanna know what our "anti gun violence" program is here ? We'll throw ya a free gun lock if you need one. Teaching your kid right from wrong is on you, not the govt. The govt already intrudes too much into our daily lives.

This is just another case of taxing the working class to give the money to the poor folks. Throwing more of our tax dollars at the people who already live off our tax dollars and do noting to earn it. It's a perpetual cycle that will never be fixed, no matter how much of our money you throw at it. If the inner city yutes need an after school program to keep them off the streets, tell them to do their homework or go to church. Better yet, tell their parents.