Obola's stunning election failure just means more gun control...

[ungawa]

You're assuming from the dust of a revolution a new Constitutional government will again rise or restore itself. If things get that ugly you have no guarantees of anything and the prospect of that happening are slim. If the US falls there will be all kinds of foreign intervention most of which will be for their benefit, not ours. This is a lot more involved than a bunch of pissed of people going around killing each other with no real plan or direction of where they're going with this. But they'll sound good saying all those quotes. In the mean time you'll have some major league assholes trying to assume power, what if they win?

They already have. That's the point.

[Torque]

You're assuming from the dust of a revolution a new Constitutional government will again rise or restore itself. If things get that ugly you have no guarantees of anything and the prospect of that happening are slim. If the US falls there will be all kinds of foreign intervention most of which will be for their benefit, not ours. This is a lot more involved than a bunch of pissed of people going around killing each other with no real plan or direction of where they're going with this. But they'll sound good saying all those quotes. In the mean time you'll have some major league assholes trying to assume power, what if they win?

You want "them" to do everything you say, just to make things worse so "they" can see what "they" have done and can suffer. I don't want things getting worse. I'd rather see things get better. I'm hoping the country doesn't fall. This may or may not happen. As fucked up as things are, we're still living in a pretty good nation. Anybody that wishes to see it fall so they can water the liberty tree with the blood of patriots is either a fool or too damn eager. The only way such a thing is justified is when all peaceful means have been exhausted. We're a long way from there.

People are getting pissed off, the last election showed this. Some major changes need to take place. Corrupt people need removed from office and be punished for their crimes. Real, honest people need to be running this country, not career politicians. Term limits would help. Hopefully at some point some people in charge are going to accept the fact socialism doesn't work. If not we will fail, let us hope not.

The American people themselves have as much to do with this mess as anybody else, including the government. We are reaching the point where the people who are quite content being a burden on society rather than an asset will soon be the majority. In essence they're getting the country they want. When the economy collapses and the handouts stop the left will create riots that make Ferguson look like a joke. This is when it will start.

No one is assuming nothing, just America will rise from her sleep. We are in agreement in half of what you said. Just do you really feel corrupt politicians will go quietly? Do you really think they want term limits? Even you said things will fall apart...kind of late to do anything then. Why wait? Let them ban everything and let it fall apart now. Why wait till everything is ruined destroyed turned into some little iraq type of country.

Seems, in the end, like you'll fit into what Martin Niemoiler said "...Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me..."

Fool? Who's the bigger fool? You or me? I know I would be willing to stand with my brothers if something was to happen. You - rather sit there and watch everything turn into ruin. Watching the country destroy itself from within while saying "I told you so, I saw this coming I'm captain obvious".
Still me a fool? hmm Ok, I can contend with that. Kind of reminds me of our Fore Fathers who stood up. They were called names and I'm sure fool was one of them.

Of course there would be outside intervention. Who in the world would not think this at all. The u.n. islamists/muslims, isis, hamas, etc etc Mexican drug cartels etc etc. This is something that would need to be addressed. Yes there would be a large number who would want their fill of killing Americans, take parts of America, or to rule America. Do you really think this was not thought of by people? You already have islamists recruiting people down in ferg. What ever happens will not be a weekend event, it will last for years.

The American people can do so much with corrupt elections, corrupt politicians, islamists, communists and socialists in our government. Elections got us here. As we all know nowadays elections do not work - due to them being easily rigged and tampered with by their little underlings or sheep. How about the way they are run? Insulting, personal attacks of the runner and or their family, lies, propaganda, the media paid off etc etc. This too plays a huge roll.

I've said all I have to say on this issue.

[pennlineman]

No one is assuming nothing, just America will rise from her sleep. We are in agreement in half of what you said. Just do you really feel corrupt politicians will go quietly? Do you really think they want term limits? Even you said things will fall apart...kind of late to do anything then. Why wait? Let them ban everything and let it fall apart now. Why wait till everything is ruined destroyed turned into some little iraq type of country.

Career politicians will not. If the voting public make terms limits a big enough issue perhaps some new politicians that support the idea will run for office. Why wait? Why start a damn war before you need to?

Seems, in the end, like you'll fit into what Martin Niemoiler said "...Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me..."

I did a career in the Air Force and Army ready to defend this country anytime, anywhere. I'll do so again if need be. Have you done anything real life?

Fool? Who's the bigger fool? You or me? I know I would be willing to stand with my brothers if something was to happen. You - rather sit there and watch everything turn into ruin. Watching the country destroy itself from within while saying "I told you so, I saw this coming I'm captain obvious".
Still me a fool? hmm Ok, I can contend with that. Kind of reminds me of our Fore Fathers who stood up. They were called names and I'm sure fool was one of them.

Again, I'm not the one who wishes for America to fall. Nor am I the one who wants to go out and start a war we may not need to. If the term fool fits, wear it proudly.



Of course there would be outside intervention. Who in the world would not think this at all. The u.n. islamists/muslims, isis, hamas, etc etc Mexican drug cartels etc etc. This is something that would need to be addressed. Yes there would be a large number who would want their fill of killing Americans, take parts of America, or to rule America. Do you really think this was not thought of by people? You already have islamists recruiting people down in ferg. What ever happens will not be a weekend event, it will last for years.

Tell me exactly who is thinking about this. I'd like to know. You're right it'll last years and it'll be one hell of a mess.

The American people can do so much with corrupt elections, corrupt politicians, islamists, communists and socialists in our government. Elections got us here. As we all know nowadays elections do not work - due to them being easily rigged and tampered with by their little underlings or sheep. How about the way they are run? Insulting, personal attacks of the runner and or their family, lies, propaganda, the media paid off etc etc. This too plays a huge roll.

The bottom line is this. At this point the overwhelming amount of people are still reasonably happy. Until this changes good luck with your revolution.

I've said all I have to say on this issue.

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[Torque]

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Oh I'm so tempted to post a rebuttal to your misguided ways of thought, and your ill regard to dispute others who quoted you....but I did say "I have said enough".

You go on thinking what you like in your (now tough guy) pretty little world of happy happy joy joy, while this is still the verge of being a communist America of course. You go on thinking how pretty and right your thought is in respect to what the libprogs and socialists want you to portray to others.

You are doing a good job for them (thumbsup) Keep it up and soon you will be the one asking "why no one was there to speak for me".

I could whittle your post down to true aspects ...just I did say "I have enough to say".

[pennlineman]

Oh I'm so tempted to post a rebuttal to your misguided ways of thought, and your ill regard to dispute others who quoted you....but I did say "I have said enough".

You go on thinking what you like in your (now tough guy) pretty little world of happy happy joy joy, while this is still the verge of being a communist America of course. You go on thinking how pretty and right your thought is in respect to what the libprogs and socialists want you to portray to others.

You are doing a good job for them (thumbsup) Keep it up and soon you will be the one asking "why no one was there to speak for me".

I could whittle your post down to true aspects ...just I did say "I have enough to say".

Then do it.

ETA: I don't need you to speak for me.

[gummy jones]

Oh I'm so tempted to post a rebuttal to your misguided ways of thought, and your ill regard to dispute others who quoted you....but I did say "I have said enough".

You go on thinking what you like in your (now tough guy) pretty little world of happy happy joy joy, while this is still the verge of being a communist America of course. You go on thinking how pretty and right your thought is in respect to what the libprogs and socialists want you to portray to others.

You are doing a good job for them (thumbsup) Keep it up and soon you will be the one asking "why no one was there to speak for me".

I could whittle your post down to true aspects ...just I did say "I have enough to say".

So his ways of thought are misguided but yours are what exactly?

Your hypothetical conjecture is no more valid than anyone else's, although I admit yours seems a lot more based in pop culture movies and the call of duty series.

No one is arguing that nothing is wrong with this country - it seems to get worse year by year - but to suggest scrapping the system of one of the last bastions of freedom at this point in time seems terribly naive.

(Even though you said you were done, here is the invitation you can't resist to go back at pennlineman with your basement revolution manifesto)