First bad Gunbroker experience

[jmiro]

Originally Posted by YBNORMAL

not to sound like a @$%# but all online transactions are a calculated risk, sorry about your luck, welcome to life..........

your friendly neighborhood dormat.....

Well said! I havent dealt with gunbroker and now shy away from ebay. Even on forums you take the chance of getting the crappy end of the stick. I not a big fan of the "I'll give you my hard earned money and trust you man up to your end of the deal Scenario."

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by QuakertownRich

I attempted to resolve issue with the seller. He sent lies about postal inspector then accused me of lying about the shortage altogether and is not going to correct situation. He charged me for insurance that obviously never was put on. Lied about combining charge for shipping and I end up short on product I paid for.
Some of you may prefer to be a doormat in this situation, probably in life too(is your wife leaning over your shoulder tapping her foot till you walk her poodle?) I don't. Since my first response to being lied to and robbed is not doable, I let everyone else know his story without risking my rep that does not deserve to be trashed because of his thievery. Don't like it? TS. I got somthing for you to quack on, ithink.

PS: Lawyers are also thieves like the seller, they steal your money by using the rules against you. Laws written by lawyers who twist it for their financial gain. Yeah, I've been sued.
Did you say something about "sense of who I am" ? Dude, your a lawyer basically saying I am not being scrupulous. Serious? Talk about hypocracy. Isn't there a recent widow out there you can sue for a quick settlement and take your 40% ? Afterall, it was her dead husbands head who caused that damage to your clients baseball bat.

It's important that every patient makes all of his or her doctors aware of all of the meds being taken. Interactions between them can cause unpredictable side effects, especially the psychotropics. One should also check for colorectal blockage caused by a stick or a bug, as this can lead to personality or mood changes.

"Yeah, I've been sued." I am willing to believe that.

[QuakertownRich]

<sigh>

Anyway...I'm done responding to your insults, gun_lawyer. You've won.
So,
I am totally wrong in my assumption I should get what I pay for, I should bend over and take whatever the seller feels right in stealing from me then give positive feedback that he obviously deserves. Waiting till buyer leaves positive feedback for the seller, no matter what seller does in transaction, is NOT feedback blackmail.
Who else? Oh yeah...I get what I ask for because I did an online transaction.
There was another...Right. That's life, and I'm just being welcomed to it.
Lawyers are awesome. If not for lawyers, this world would be in terrible shape. Their charity, compassion, generousity, humility is the foundation for all that is good in society. We, as humble illiterate downtrodden, do so wish to thank you for all that you have done for humanity. Thank you. Thank you! God Bless your righteous soul, sir.

Hmm..something is poking out the back of my shorts..what the..??
<--wet sucking sound as object is removed

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by QuakertownRich

<sigh>

Anyway...I'm done responding to your insults, gun_lawyer. You've won.
So,
I am totally wrong in my assumption I should get what I pay for, I should bend over and take whatever the seller feels right in stealing from me then give positive feedback that he obviously deserves. Waiting till buyer leaves positive feedback for the seller, no matter what seller does in transaction, is NOT feedback blackmail.
Who else? Oh yeah...I get what I ask for because I did an online transaction.
There was another...Right. That's life, and I'm just being welcomed to it.
Lawyers are awesome. If not for lawyers, this world would be in terrible shape. Their charity, compassion, generousity, humility is the foundation for all that is good in society. We, as humble illiterate downtrodden, do so wish to thank you for all that you have done for humanity. Thank you. Thank you! God Bless your righteous soul, sir.

Hmm..something is poking out the back of my shorts..what the..??
<--wet sucking sound as object is removed

Humor. Kewl.

However, I should point out that you unfairly accused Robert Kayland of taking an immoral stance purely out of self interest, to justify his insidious selling practices. And then you did the same to me, despite my telling you in advance that I never sell on Gunbroker, which might have been a subtle signal that I have no insidious selling practices to justify. Then you called me a thief and an evil lawyer. And now you feel that you've been insulted somewhere in this thread. Whatever.

I guess what I have a basic problem with here is your issue with sellers waiting until the buyer leaves positive feedback, before the seller leaves positive feedback. You seem to believe that once the buyer has paid, there's no chance that he'll do something sneaky later. And to prove this theory, you plan to sneak in negative feedback at the last minute.

I must be missing some critical piece of information here. Since buyers and sellers are free to alter their comments any number of times within the designated time frame mentioned in the link I gave you, what possible difference does it make who posts feedback first?

[Robert Kayland]

Well, first of all, let me say that GunLawyer001 is one of the best resources on this site, and arguably the best poster in re wit and style.

Well, okay, I like his politics too.

My rep button broke on him long ago, and it's probably not until 2014 or so when I'll be allowed to rep him again for all the solid information and clever observations he posts on this board.

Point is, any of the sort of criticism I see about him here is WAAAAY out of line.

Not that he needs me sticking up for him... as all can see, he's more than able to defend himself... I just wanted to give a shout out against people getting out of line on an individual, because all-too-often we just sit on the sidelines and let the respective combatants have at it, without letting the one side or other know that they're not in the right.

I must be missing some critical piece of information here. Since buyers and sellers are free to alter their comments any number of times within the designated time frame mentioned in the link I gave you, what possible difference does it make who posts feedback first?

Just for the record, the way it works on eBay is, if you give positive feedback, it can never be changed... you can merely do a follow up comment which, once the page scrolls by after 20 or so transactions, nobody will probably bother to read. They'll only look at the general rating, which will reflect the positive initial feedback, even if it becomes unwarranted later.

This is why my policy as a seller is to wait for the buyer to give feedback first so that I know he's satisfied or has communicated properly.

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by Robert Kayland

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Just for the record, the way it works on eBay is, if you give positive feedback, it can never be changed... you can merely do a follow up comment which, once the page scrolls by after 20 or so transactions, nobody will probably bother to read. They'll only look at the general rating, which will reflect the positive initial feedback, even if it becomes unwarranted later.

This is why my policy as a seller is to wait for the buyer to give feedback first so that I know he's satisfied or has communicated properly.

First, thanks for the kind words.

Second, I agree with you, on eBay and on Gunbroker, although on Gunbroker the parties can play with their feedback for 90 days.

I've never heard of a seller dicking around and making demands after he's shipped. I've heard of many instances of buyers playing games after receiving their items. So the deal is never done until the buyer is happy. I have perhaps 700-800 completed deals on Web auction sites, most of them as a buyer (on Gunbroker, all of them as a buyer). Speaking as a buyer, I have no problem leaving honest feedback first. Sellers need it more, since anyone can decide to avoid a seller by not bidding, while sellers can be forced to deal with any bidder who hasn't been so bad that they've been suspended.

I've only had to leave negative feedback a handful of times, and on Gunbroker it was eventually removed by site staff, because the sellers were suspended for their misdeeds.