Chrome Lined AR-15 Barrel Questions

[TWC]

Hey everyone, I've got a couple of questions regarding chrome lined AR-15 barrels. I understand from reading the posts here that they seem to be inherently less accurate than non-lined barrels due to it being impossible to line the barrel completely evenly. I live in Upstate New York (near Binghamton) and am looking to build my first AR for hunting purposes. Would it still be wise to get my barrel chrome lined, or would this decrease the accuracy to an unacceptable degree for varmint hunting? Thanks for your help!
-Tom

[Lycanthrope]

Depends on how far you're shooting and how accurate you expect your rifles to be.

I don't consider 1.5 moa accurate for a hunting rifle of any kind....., but that is more than good enough for a 100 yard deer gun for many people.

I don't see any benefit of chrome lining on a hunting gun.


Lycanpreferssmallgroupsthrope

[TWC]

Thanks for the fast reply! I plan on shooting out to approximately 300 yards, typically at coyotes. Thus, I don't really think that 1.5 moa would be suitable for my specific needs. I take it I should not get a chrome lined barrel then? Thanks again for your time.

[Lycanthrope]

Are you guys even allowed AR's in NY? I don't know your laws, but check 'em to be sure!

If you reload, the White Oak Armament uppers and barrels are excellent. Mine have always shot .5 moa or better.

LycanthanksGodhelivesinPAthrope

[TWC]

Yes, ARs are allowed to a certain extent in NY. As far as I understand, for a firearm to be an "assualt weapon" and therefore a no-no in NY, it must be:
- Semiautomatic
- Accept a detachable magazine
- Manufactured after September 14, 1994
- Have two or more of the following:
- Telescoping or folding stock
- Pistol grip
- Bayonet mount
- Flash suppressor (this does NOT include a muzzle brake)
- Threaded barrel

As far as I know, I am completely allowed to have an AR as long as I don't have more than 2 of the aforementioned components if it is post-ban. If it is a pre-ban rifle, it doesn't matter. Also, I am limited to 10 round magazines, or permanent 10/30s.

I do plan on reloading, so thanks for the tip! Unfortunately, I do not have the cash to allow for an extremely costly build. Would it be acceptable, for my purposes, to look at something like the Del-Ton kits to assemble with a lower receiver? They have enough options to let me ensure that my rifle is NY legal, and seem to have good reviews. Do you know if this option would give me a good base, which I could upgrade later on when I could (purchase a White Oak barrel, etc.)?

Sorry to pester you with questions, I'm new to the whole AR business. Thank you for all the time you're spending to get me informed!

TWisheshelivedinPAlikeLycanthropeC

[emsjeep]

Originally Posted by TWC

Yes, ARs are allowed to a certain extent in NY. As far as I understand, for a firearm to be an "assualt weapon" and therefore a no-no in NY, it must be:
- Semiautomatic
- Accept a detachable magazine
- Manufactured after September 14, 1994
- Have two or more of the following:
- Telescoping or folding stock
- Pistol grip
- Bayonet mount
- Flash suppressor (this does NOT include a muzzle brake)
- Threaded barrel

As far as I know, I am completely allowed to have an AR as long as I don't have more than 2 of the aforementioned components if it is post-ban. If it is a pre-ban rifle, it doesn't matter. Also, I am limited to 10 round magazines, or permanent 10/30s.

I do plan on reloading, so thanks for the tip! Unfortunately, I do not have the cash to allow for an extremely costly build. Would it be acceptable, for my purposes, to look at something like the Del-Ton kits to assemble with a lower receiver? They have enough options to let me ensure that my rifle is NY legal, and seem to have good reviews. Do you know if this option would give me a good base, which I could upgrade later on when I could (purchase a White Oak barrel, etc.)?

Sorry to pester you with questions, I'm new to the whole AR business. Thank you for all the time you're spending to get me informed!

TWisheshelivedinPAlikeLycanthropeC

That is correct. If you buy a post-September 1994 lower you may only have one feature, typically this would be the pistol grip. You must then have a NYS compliant muzzle brake welded on and have the bayonet lug ground off of the front sight tower. You then must either have a fixed stock or pin and weld a collapsible one. If you buy a pre-September 1994 lower you can put a brand new upper onto it and do whatever you want. All magazines must be pre-1994 manufacture or less than 10 rounds. If you buy a post-ban gun you CAN use pre-ban 30rd magazines in it (some people think the opposite for some dumb reason). The issue is then whether the pre-ban lower you buy was or must have been assembled into a complete rifle before September 1994, some people refuse to buy a rifle without proof of this, others, like me, don't mind either way. That is a decision you have to make. Also, the point of getting rid of the threads is to eliminate the chance of you putting on a suppressor, so what if you buy a Surefire muzzle brake that has a suppressor mount integrated into it? Also, only certain brakes are legal…

Question: does the 1/7 twist of a military spec chome lined barrel compensate at all for the fact that it is chrome lined?

[Lycanthrope]

Yes, the Del Ton kits would suffice and likely give you 1 moa with handloads and a free float handguard (maybe a bit better...try 69gr Sierra Match King over Varget loaded magazine length).

95% of AR accuracy is the barrel. The rest is free floating the handguards.

You'll eventually want a good trigger. The RRA two stage is decent on a budget.

Lycananyquestions?thrope

[TWC]

One more question for now; when I purchase the Del Ton kit would it be worth my $25 to get the M4 feed ramps?

[synergy]

Originally Posted by TWC

One more question for now; when I purchase the Del Ton kit would it be worth my $25 to get the M4 feed ramps?

Yes, especially if you plan on running different bullet types and handloads.

$25 up front is a lot cheaper than troubleshooting and fixing a potential issue later.

[TWC]

Thanks. Also, back to my original question about chrome lining. While this is going to be used for hunting, I still plan on doing a fair amount of plinking and putting a decent number of rounds through it on any given outing. Non-lined still the way to go? I'm assuming so, just making sure.