Assault rifles

[phillyd2]

Seems to me that there are two type of shooters. Those that do and those that don't share. A great part of shooting (for me anyway) is letting other experience different guns.

Great to see that most here are of the sharing type.

[aubie515]

I am sure between you and Fulton, that you both have a few assault rifles. It is always fun getting together and sending some lead down range.

[BUCKMARK]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

You mean you were shooting your

Semi-Automatic Sporting Rifles that have Standard Capacity Detachable Magazines...

No such thing as "Assault Rifles" that are easily available to most citizens. Only politicians and other uninformed persons consider semi-auto rifles "assault rifles" (incorrectly too, I might add).

I was using a little sarcasm here, thats why I used the word ASSAULT so much. I hope you were using sarcasm also.

The M4 types we were using were evil black rifles with pistol grips, hi-caps, flash hiders and bayonet lugs. As to the amount of holes they punch in the paper, it's more like a gang rape...but I guess the correct term these days is ASSAULT rifle.

I actually like the term. I like the idea of assaulting stuff. Tonight at 10:00 PM I'm meeting up with a friend to go cat fishing all night. I just finished putting black braid on my sleek black assault rods. I might tape a flashlight on them just for the hell of it.

[RoyJackson]

No...not sarcasm...

I've got an AR-15 and a couple of AK type rifles.

The reason I'm vehement on this is due to the "Assault Rifle" ban some of our PA legislators are trying to pull off...with Rendell's blessing. And, don't forget there's a move to ban them again at the federal level.

You men don't own assault rifles...they aren't selective fire, are they? If not, they're nothing more then semi-auto rifles with detachable mags.

However, we gun owners have a cultural war to win...and many in government aren't on our side, regardless of the 2nd Amendment. Many folks who aren't into guns don't see our firearms as just for fun...self defense and defense against the government. They see them as the weapons used in Columbine or other mass murders. They see them as the weapon of anti-government militia.

I'd wager you aren't old enough to remember the assault rifle ban of 1994.

All I'm saying...help gun owners (including yourselves) teach the public at large that these rifles are not the killing weapons of war that the anti-rights people portray them as...that is....if you want to keep your rifles. Help teach non-gunnies that guns are not the problem and the solution to crime belongs elsewhere.

But, using an erroneous term for your rifle isn't helping...

[brian]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

No...not sarcasm...

I've got an AR-15 and a couple of AK type rifles.

The reason I'm vehement on this is due to the "Assault Rifle" ban some of our PA legislators are trying to pull off...with Rendell's blessing. And, don't forget there's a move to ban them again at the federal level.

You men don't own assault rifles...they aren't selective fire, are they? If not, they're nothing more then semi-auto rifles with detachable mags.

However, we gun owners have a cultural war to win...and many in government aren't on our side, regardless of the 2nd Amendment. Many folks who aren't into guns don't see our firearms as just for fun...self defense and defense against the government. They see them as the weapons used in Columbine or other mass murders. They see them as the weapon of anti-government militia.

I'd wager you aren't old enough to remember the assault rifle ban of 1994.

All I'm saying...help gun owners (including yourselves) teach the public at large that these rifles are not the killing weapons of war that the anti-rights people portray them as...that is....if you want to keep your rifles. Help teach non-gunnies that guns are not the problem and the solution to crime belongs elsewhere.

But, using an erroneous term for your rifle isn't helping...

i'm with you on that one. just not as good with the words and the typing and all...



i tend to reffer to them as ''self loading long guns''.

[Willtallica]

I believe the proper term is tactical, but if any firearms are assault weapons then they're the scoped ones in the hands of American hunters which are like the ones used by individuals in world war two who killed hundreds of men by them self individually.

[RoyJackson]

Originally Posted by Willtallica

I believe the proper term is tactical, but if any firearms are assault weapons then they're the scoped ones in the hands of American hunters which are like the ones used by individuals in world war two who killed hundreds of men by them self individually.

Won't dispute that...but it's what the anti-rights people consider "assault rifles" is what counts.
Everytime they use a term which is incorrect or sounds like they don't know what they're talking about (like Carolyn McCarthy and the Barrel Shroud question just after the VA Tech massacre), it's up to us to correct them and show folks the anti-rights folks don't have a firm grasp on reality.

In a year, we're going to be voting for a President. Due to the fiasco in Iraq, it's quite possible we'll have a President who will show no hesitation about signing an "Assault Rifle" ban...and don't be so sure your rifle will be grandfathered in.

[Lycanthrope]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

Everytime they use a term which is incorrect or sounds like they don't know what they're talking about (like Carolyn McCarthy and the Barrel Shroud question just after the VA Tech massacre), it's up to us to correct them and show folks the anti-rights folks don't have a firm grasp on reality.

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Well..that depends. It works both ways. Words that were offensive 10 years ago have been "neutered" due to overusage in the pop culture and no longer draw attention.

You can educate or you can desensitize. In reality, both camps are correct.

Lycanmakeupyourmindsthrope

[DaveM55]

Assault rifle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The AK-47 is the world's most common assault rifle.

An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT. Examples of assault rifles include the AK-47 and the M16 rifle. Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing single shots are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with very limited capacity fixed magazines are also generally not considered assault rifles.

The definition

The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning "storm rifle"), "storm" used as a verb being synonymous with assault, as in "to storm the compound". Sturmgewehr was coined by Adolf Hitler to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first widely-used assault rifle and served to popularize the concept. The translation “assault rifle” gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the name giver StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have all of the following five characteristics to qualify as an assault rifle:[1][2][3]

* Is a carbine sized individual weapon with provision to be fired from a shouldered position.

Barrel length is usually 400 mm to 500 mm (16” to 20”)

* Is capable of selective fire.
* Fires from a locked breech.
* Utilizes an intermediate powered-cartridge.
* Ammunition is supplied from a large capacity detachable box magazine.

Most common is a capacity of 30 rounds, sometimes 20 rounds.

The following features are commonly found on assault rifles, but those are not exclusive to assault rifles, as those features are shared with many submachine guns, battle rifles, automatic rifles and machine guns:

* Protruding pistol grip.
* Folding, retractable or otherwise collapsible shoulder stock.
* Bipod
* Muzzle device like a muzzle brake or a flash suppressor.

There are commentators who use the expression “assault rifle” more loosely to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or civilian semi-automatic off-shoots of military rifles for commercial or political reasons. Some militaries of nations outside of the English-speaking world also have a different definition of assault rifle. For instance, the analogous term in the Swedish Armed Forces is automatkarbin (literally "automatic carbine") which includes both assault rifles and battle rifles.

Assault weapons vs. Automatic weapons

Primarily limited to the United States, the term assault weapon is a political term, separate from the military definition, used to describe a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features associated with military or police firearms. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and two or more of the following:

* Folding or telescoping stock
* Conspicuous pistol grip
* Bayonet mount
* Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
* Grenade launcher

A common public misconception persists that the assault weapons ban restricted weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns. Fully automatic weapons, however, were unaffected by the ban, and have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly-manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement.

[BUCKMARK]

Originally Posted by RoyJackson

No...not sarcasm...

I've got an AR-15 and a couple of AK type rifles.

The reason I'm vehement on this is due to the "Assault Rifle" ban some of our PA legislators are trying to pull off...with Rendell's blessing. And, don't forget there's a move to ban them again at the federal level.

You men don't own assault rifles...they aren't selective fire, are they? If not, they're nothing more then semi-auto rifles with detachable mags.

However, we gun owners have a cultural war to win...and many in government aren't on our side, regardless of the 2nd Amendment. Many folks who aren't into guns don't see our firearms as just for fun...self defense and defense against the government. They see them as the weapons used in Columbine or other mass murders. They see them as the weapon of anti-government militia.

I'd wager you aren't old enough to remember the assault rifle ban of 1994.

All I'm saying...help gun owners (including yourselves) teach the public at large that these rifles are not the killing weapons of war that the anti-rights people portray them as...that is....if you want to keep your rifles. Help teach non-gunnies that guns are not the problem and the solution to crime belongs elsewhere.

But, using an erroneous term for your rifle isn't helping...

1994 was the first full year of my military service ( infantry). I was 19.

I understand what a assault rifle is and dont need a lesson. My post was a short non-meaningful story with a failed attempt at a little humor. Sorry.

I know whats going on with the anti's and I'm doing my part. I'm a member of the NRA, GOA and PAFOA. I'm doing my part.

Just remember, you can call these rifles "LIFE SAVER RIFLES" and the anti's will still do everything they can to ban them. Words are just words.

Sorry to ruffle feathers.

I'm outta here until friday. Have a good week gentlemen.