AK 47 Norinco

[phillyd2]

Originally Posted by aubie515

And you know this from first hand experience? People like you crack me up with your comments. Get a clue. If you don't like Chinese products and want to boycott them...that is your choice. Just don't as as if you are the resident expert on Chinese history and culture.

Maybe he was in favor of slave labor.......

[1FingrCHan]

Originally Posted by aubie515

And you know this from first hand experience? People like you crack me up with your comments. Get a clue. If you don't like Chinese products and want to boycott them...that is your choice. Just don't as as if you are the resident expert on Chinese history and culture.

Speaktrue is partly right about what he said. Give the guy a break, OK.

See here:

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/China.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/200712.shtml

There is an article about Norinco here:

http://www.fofg.org/news/news_story....8682cd8ce1aecf

Sure, they make decent firearms. And the money they earn by selling you cheap stuff is being used to finance the PLA to prepare to take Taiwan and end US domination of Asia. Sure, that is your money at work, and well spent. Unlike your tax dollars that go to the IRS, you would never see where they went. He he heh


1FingrCHan

[aubie515]

Chinese AKs have not been imported in the US for a long time. Are you telling me that a Chinese AK that was imported in 1988 is still financing the Chinese government. What if there that same Chinese AK has been bought and sold 4 times since it was imported in 1988??? Your arguement is way off because you don't know the facts. Do you even know when the last time the US had a shipment of Chinese made AKs?

Dave, perhaps he is in favor. LOL

[phillyd2]

In all seriousness, next week will find me in Shanghai for the second time this year. This would be my 15th (maybe more) trip to China. "Slave labor" (outside their prison system) is a over dramatic statement but the working conditions, especially outside the main Eastern cities, is not all that great. Very hard work for very little pay. But in all my travels in China I found nothing like the horrible conditions I have witnessed in India.

[1FingrCHan]

Originally Posted by aubie515

Chinese AKs have not been imported in the US for a long time. Are you telling me that a Chinese AK that was imported in 1988 is still financing the Chinese government. What if there that same Chinese AK has been bought and sold 4 times since it was imported in 1988??? Your arguement is way off because you don't know the facts. Do you even know when the last time the US had a shipment of Chinese made AKs?


Dave, perhaps he is in favor. LOL

My friend, have you even read the articles? Going by Speaktrue arguments, he was implying Norinco not only make AK, but your kitchen sink, the shirt on ya back and so forth with the use of slave labor........

Even they ban the importation of AK's, you still in a sense are supporting the Kommie regime by buying Made in China products.

I know, penny is tight and you rather pay $1.50 for that hat but be aware that the money is not going back your community but it goes over sea to finance a military that someday would kick the USA butt.

Since you do not seem to read well, I have copied and pasted from this article for you to see:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FE21Ad01.html

This is from the same article: "Norinco has operated under a cloud of suspicion in the US for years because of its links to the Chinese military and a case involving the smuggling of thousands of Norinco AK-47 assault rifles into the US in 1996. The Bush Jr administration last month slapped new sanctions on Norinco for its Iranian activities, which involved shipping missile technologies to Iran. "


To understand how the Chinese government get their money, see here:
http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/public...tary/com84.asp

Once again, this is from the same article: "There are two distinct components to the production and sale of arms in China: military and former military enterprises such as Poly Group, and civilian defence enterprises, both state-owned and private, such as NORINCO and Huawei."

And here: "In order to increase funds for the military, in the 1980s the Chinese army was allowed to enter into profit-making businesses, under favourable tax and investment rules. By the mid-1990s, the so-called PLA Inc. included over twenty thousand companies in everything from agribusiness to electronics to tourism to arms exports. In 1998, because of concerns about corruption and discipline, the leadership ordered the PLA to divest itself of its profit-oriented businesses in exchange for increases to the military budget, and shortly thereafter declared the divestiture a success. But the PLA has not completely withdrawn from the economy, nor have divested firms completely severed their ties with the PLA."

Love your Norinko AK. But don't immediately blast the people comment on this forum without doing some investigation on your own. It is certainly not a sign of an intelligent debate, but it rather is a crude and illogical argument between children.




1FingrCHan

[aubie515]

China doesn't have to use their military to crush the US. They can crush us without taking one shot. Take a look at their economy and see how it impacts the the United States. We as Americans are so dependent on China on a daily basis.

As Dave stated above, he's been to China several times and his first hand experience IN the country isn't as bad as one would be lead to believe. If you believe everything you read...I don't know what else to say, but I feel sorry for you. If you choose not to buy Chinese made products...that is your choice. I'm not going ot argue with you on how to spend your money. I guess because the US makes such quality products that you can buy products only made in the US. We live in a Global Economy and it is impossible to rely only on US made products. Perhaps instead of believing everything you read online...your time would be better spent taking an Econ 101 course at a Community College.

This will be my last post on this topic. No sense trying to debate with someone that has made up his/her mind. My final thought is...if I were to walk into your home...I have a feeling I would find various items in your home that wasn't made in the United States.

[ragtime8922]

Originally Posted by aubie515

Chinese AKs have not been imported in the US for a long time. Are you telling me that a Chinese AK that was imported in 1988 is still financing the Chinese government. What if there that same Chinese AK has been bought and sold 4 times since it was imported in 1988??? Your arguement is way off because you don't know the facts. Do you even know when the last time the US had a shipment of Chinese made AKs?

Dave, perhaps he is in favor. LOL

Even if it were financing the Chinese government, it doesn't matter anymore. We are now China's bitch. The US couldn't survive one day without the money that we borrow from the Chinese. It's disgusting. This war just burried us.

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by ragtime8922

Even if it were financing the Chinese government, it doesn't matter anymore. We are now China's bitch. The US couldn't survive one day without the money that we borrow from the Chinese. It's disgusting. This war just burried us.

B.S.

Some perspective. China's entire economy isn't even as big as what we spend annually on health care. It's only a matter of time before the remainder of the "old guard" die off and younger, western educated political leaders replace them and liberalize the country politically.

It is ........... inevitable.

[TJB63]

Originally Posted by aubie515

And you know this from first hand experience? People like you crack me up with your comments. Get a clue. If you don't like Chinese products and want to boycott them...that is your choice. Just don't as as if you are the resident expert on Chinese history and culture.

We tend to lose sight of the Fact that every single post on here is an Opinion only, While others may know more than most of us, it's important to remember that a post from someone offering advice or comments is neither right nor wrong, Just a post and strictly their Opinion only.

Now back to the original post: IMHO (Yes, MHO!) $1000 plus spent on an AK is crazy, yeah a WASR10 for $350 isn't pretty but functions the same as the Norinco, if appearence means that much, go with a Yugo M70 they are built like tanks and could probably withstand being rode over by one. I own 2 WASRs and 1 Yugo and I really find myself more drawn to the WASRs for some strange reason, maybe it's that underdog appearence that gets me, either way you can't go wrong with an AK no matter how much you spend.

[josh]

Here is another opinion.
Bulgarian AK's have some of the best fit and finish as well as accuracy ever found in a kalashnikov variant.