Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
I really dont have time to read all of the post.. I do have a couple of questions tho... what is the rule for a friends house that is across the street from an elementary school within 1000 feet with and without a ccw? And one time I was with my ex girl who was saying something to me while walking out of a mcdonalds, what she said was heard by a car leaving the drive thru and the woman driving the car thought she had said it to her.. the two girls in the car climbed out and assaulted her.. Now me being a guy did not want to use any kind of force on women.. I did have my gun at the time and my licence.. then a guy climbed out of the back seat.. a bit larger then I am.. with her being outnumbered and myself now thinking Im in danger.. one guy bigger then my skinny ass and two women is still out numbered and a high risk for bodily harm... would I have been in my legal right to remove my weapon in our defense?? I did pull it out but did not use it.. was more of a deterrent.. but it worked.. women stopped beating on her and it kept the guy away from me leaving us free to get the hell out.. so many laws.. im getting a headache... thank god for this site!!!!
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by
Mike Czap
I really dont have time to read all of the post.. I do have a couple of questions tho... what is the rule for a friends house that is across the street from an elementary school within 1000 feet with and without a ccw? And one time I was with my ex girl who was saying something to me while walking out of a mcdonalds, what she said was heard by a car leaving the drive thru and the woman driving the car thought she had said it to her.. the two girls in the car climbed out and assaulted her.. Now me being a guy did not want to use any kind of force on women.. I did have my gun at the time and my licence.. then a guy climbed out of the back seat.. a bit larger then I am.. with her being outnumbered and myself now thinking Im in danger.. one guy bigger then my skinny ass and two women is still out numbered and a high risk for bodily harm... would I have been in my legal right to remove my weapon in our defense?? I did pull it out but did not use it.. was more of a deterrent.. but it worked.. women stopped beating on her and it kept the guy away from me leaving us free to get the hell out.. so many laws.. im getting a headache... thank god for this site!!!!
On private property no license is needed to be legal. Once on public domain within 1000ft of a school you need to have a license from the state in which the school is located to carry the gun, unless it is unloaded and in a case. ...that is federal law.
Use of force is a separate issue from carrying. But if you were in fear of your life or serious bodily injury, or the life of another(or serious bodily injury) - then you do what you need to do.
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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knight0334
On private property no license is needed to be legal.
I disagree. GFSZ or not, one needs to be licensed to lawfully conceal anywhere outside of one's home or fixed place of business.
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
Yes I felt in danger of bodily harm for both of us which is why I pulled it out.. I also know of people saying don't pull it unless you intend to use it.. so it was a conflict in my head as to what to do... Also hearing that you can't use it if other persons are not armed... But being out numbered is armed to me. I reacted in a matter I felt best.. nobody was hurt except for a couple of bruses on her, nobody left leaking and the police were never called.. but my heart was racing for a couple of days after the incodent.
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by
Mike Czap
Yes I felt in danger of bodily harm for both of us which is why I pulled it out.. I also know of people saying don't pull it unless you intend to use it.. so it was a conflict in my head as to what to do... Also hearing that you can't use it if other persons are not armed... But being out numbered is armed to me. I reacted in a matter I felt best.. nobody was hurt except for a couple of bruses on her, nobody left leaking and the police were never called.. but my heart was racing for a couple of days after the incodent.
Disparity of force. Look it up.
I think you did right (I'd draw too) in your story. Really, we all hope it doesn't (glad it didn't) come to that, but if two girls were beating on my wife and another person (big guy) gets out of the car too.... Shooting them would be one of my CLOSE next options if drawing down on them and verbally demanding they immediately cease didn't work.
Those types of people are COWARDS. Beating on a stranger cause they want to explore their animal roots. Well.... 99 times out of 100, their victims will be what they expect, helpless individuals that can't/won't fight back. One day, they are going to bump into someone that can.
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gnbrotz
I disagree. GFSZ or not, one needs to be licensed to lawfully conceal anywhere outside of one's home or fixed place of business.
Well, outside of a GFSZ and Philly and a car...I have a solution. We can carry rifles and shotguns, loaded and concealed without a need for LTCF ;)
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by
gnbrotz
I disagree. GFSZ or not, one needs to be licensed to lawfully conceal anywhere outside of one's home or fixed place of business.
Correct. I should have emphasized on that it was legal to carry openly without a license on private property within that 1000ft school zone.
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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knight0334
Here is the regulation pertaining to the other Department of State buildings
STATEMENTS OF POLICY
Title 49--PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
[49 PA. CODE CH. 61]
Policies and Procedures Relating to Use of Buildings Outside of the Capitol Complex
[28 Pa.B. 382]
The Department of State (Department) adopts the following statement of policy announcing policies and procedures relating to the maintenance of order and security within the offices and public areas of the bureaus of the Department located outside of the Capitol Complex.
Department offices are located within the Capitol Complex in the North Office Building and in leased facilities in Harrisburg. The offices of the Department including, but not limited to, the Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, the State Athletic Commission, the Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation and the Bureau of Charitable Organizations, are in leased premises at 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg. With regard to Department offices located in the Capitol Complex, the recent policy statement of the Department of General Services published at 26 Pa.B. 4906 (October 12, 1996) applies (Codified at 4 Pa. Code Chapter 86). The purpose of this statement of policy is to implement a policy and procedure, consistent with the Department's lease of those premises in a manner to best perform the statutory duties of the Department and its bureaus, administrative boards and commissions.
This statement of policy is not intended to circumscribe any administrative discretion given to the Department under any law or rule or regulation.
This statement of policy is effective upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
YVETTE KANE,
Secretary of the Commonwealth
Fiscal Note: 16-12. No fiscal impact; (8) recommends adoption.
Annex A
TITLE 49. PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
PART I. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Subpart C. SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH
CHAPTER 61. USE OF PUBLIC AREAS OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL COMPLEX--STATEMENT OF POLICY
Sec.
61.1.
Additional jurisdiction over properties.
61.2.
Office hours.
61.3.
Firearms and weapons.
§ 61.1. Additional jurisdiction over properties.
The public areas of 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg, under the jurisdiction of the Department of State and subject to this chapter, include the interior offices of the Department of State, Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, Bureau of Charitable Organizations, Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation, State Athletic Commission and leased offices and facilities related thereto.
§ 61.2. Office hours.
Offices are open to the public for licensing and related business from the hours of 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., excluding Saturdays, Sundays and State holidays. Hours in which the offices will be open to the public will be posted. The facilities may be closed during any of these periods upon a determination that an emergency or threat endangering the public health, safety and welfare exists.
§ 61.3. Firearms and weapons.
The possession of firearms or other prohibited offensive weapons as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 908(c) (relating to prohibited offense weapons), while on the leased premises of the Department with the exception of State or Federal officers, in connection with the performance of an official duty, is prohibited. This prohibition does not apply to attorneys listed as counsel of record in connection with the offering of an exhibit in any administrative proceeding, if the counsel of record who intends to offer the item as an exhibit, has obtained written authorization from a hearing examiner to do so."
i am a little confused here, it says offices that are open to the public that do licensing ect...is this just in harrisburg? can i go to my local drivers license center, or any other local state building?
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by
kel ruger man
i am a little confused here, it says offices that are open to the public that do licensing ect...is this just in harrisburg? can i go to my local drivers license center, or any other local state building?
You should be able to carry at a drivers license center. But folks have noted that some DL centers have some sort of posting or have been told to leave. My local centers haven't posted or mentioned anything when I've been to them.
The part in bold is where regulation describes the restrictions.
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Here is the regulation pertaining to the other Department of State buildings
STATEMENTS OF POLICY
Title 49--PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
[49 PA. CODE CH. 61]
Policies and Procedures Relating to Use of Buildings Outside of the Capitol Complex
[28 Pa.B. 382]
The Department of State (Department) adopts the following statement of policy announcing policies and procedures relating to the maintenance of order and security within the offices and public areas of the bureaus of the Department located outside of the Capitol Complex.
Department offices are located within the Capitol Complex in the North Office Building and in leased facilities in Harrisburg. The offices of the Department including, but not limited to, the Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, the State Athletic Commission, the Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation and the Bureau of Charitable Organizations, are in leased premises at 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg. With regard to Department offices located in the Capitol Complex, the recent policy statement of the Department of General Services published at 26 Pa.B. 4906 (October 12, 1996) applies (Codified at 4 Pa. Code Chapter 86). The purpose of this statement of policy is to implement a policy and procedure, consistent with the Department's lease of those premises in a manner to best perform the statutory duties of the Department and its bureaus, administrative boards and commissions.
This statement of policy is not intended to circumscribe any administrative discretion given to the Department under any law or rule or regulation.
This statement of policy is effective upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
YVETTE KANE,
Secretary of the Commonwealth
Fiscal Note: 16-12. No fiscal impact; (8) recommends adoption.
Annex A
TITLE 49. PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
PART I. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Subpart C. SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH
CHAPTER 61. USE OF PUBLIC AREAS OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL COMPLEX--STATEMENT OF POLICY
Sec.
61.1.
Additional jurisdiction over properties.
61.2.
Office hours.
61.3.
Firearms and weapons.
§ 61.1. Additional jurisdiction over properties.
The public areas of 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg, under the jurisdiction of the Department of State and subject to this chapter, include the interior offices of the Department of State, Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, Bureau of Charitable Organizations, Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation, State Athletic Commission and leased offices and facilities related thereto.
§ 61.2. Office hours.
Offices are open to the public for licensing and related business from the hours of 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., excluding Saturdays, Sundays and State holidays. Hours in which the offices will be open to the public will be posted. The facilities may be closed during any of these periods upon a determination that an emergency or threat endangering the public health, safety and welfare exists.
§ 61.3. Firearms and weapons.
The possession of firearms or other prohibited offensive weapons as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 908(c) (relating to prohibited offense weapons), while on the leased premises of the Department with the exception of State or Federal officers, in connection with the performance of an official duty, is prohibited. This prohibition does not apply to attorneys listed as counsel of record in connection with the offering of an exhibit in any administrative proceeding, if the counsel of record who intends to offer the item as an exhibit, has obtained written authorization from a hearing examiner to do so."
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
I live across the street from a school and since the street is not 1000ft wide my private property is within 1000 ft of a GFSZ. Am I able to OC on my property without a LCTF? (flame on for what I think is a stupid question but I want to make sure the answer that I think is correct before I get arrested)
Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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donotknowme
I live across the street from a school and since the street is not 1000ft wide my private property is within 1000 ft of a GFSZ. Am I able to OC on my property without a LCTF? (flame on for what I think is a stupid question but I want to make sure the answer that I think is correct before I get arrested)
The Federal GFSZ Act does not apply to private property:
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18 USC 922(q)(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;