Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Im looking for a "truck gun" to keep in my vehicle but I'm wondering about the details of a long gun having to be unloaded? Can I have loaded magazine's in say the front of the car And a sporting rifle in the back? Or can magazine's not be loaded..... in witch case 12 gauge for sure
Now this is kinda a 2 parter 1 does anyone know the acual law for sure?(Google ain't helping on the specifics) and 2 does anyone have experiences where cops have over interpreted or used there own form of the law
I don't think it makes a d iffrence for long guns but I don't not have a LTCF
Thanks guys
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Some proper english and coherent sentences might help us out here
In simple terms, you can not carry a loaded "Long arm" in your vehicle in PA, must be unloaded with ammo stored in a separate compartment regardless of LTCF possession
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Lets say you have an AR-15. Lets say you have a hard case. You put the AR in the hard case and toss in a loaded mag and lock the case. That will not do. Now take the same AR put it in a soft "TAC BAG. Then you fill the outside flap pockets with loaded mags. Your good to go. You need to have them in separate containers outside pockets are considered separate containers.
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Buy a pistol AR
Keep it loaded
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
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danhr
Buy a pistol AR
Keep it loaded
OP says he doesn't have an LTCF.
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
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Originally Posted by
danhr
Buy a pistol AR
Keep it loaded
Throw an SB Tactical PDW brace on it.
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Quote:
Originally Posted by
danhr
Buy a pistol AR
Keep it loaded
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Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
There is no legal definition of a "loaded rifle" in the Crimes Code, but there's one for loaded handguns, which are most of what count as "firearms", and most judges are going to apply that to non-firearms as well when the term "loaded" is part of the statute in question:
"Loaded." A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or, in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm. If the magazine is inserted into a pouch, holder, holster or other protective device that provides for a complete and secure enclosure of the ammunition, then the pouch, holder, holster or other protective device shall be deemed to be a separate compartment.
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Place (or throw) the AR-15 or AK-47/74 variant in your vehicle (back seat, passenger seat, duct taped to the ceiling). Stick the magazines in your glove box. You now have an unloaded long gun in your vehicle with the magazines stored in a separate compartment.
Re: Define "unloaded rifle" in a vehicle
Separate compartment?
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Do both the rifle AND the mag/ammo need to be IN individual "compartments"?
I suppose if the rifle were in the trunk, the "trunk" would be a "compartment" and the mag/ammo could be loose anywhere "up front" (another "compartment)?
But what about keeping them both in the same "common area"? (think rear seat area of an extended cab pickup)
Can one be loose and one be in a "container"?