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80% Lower Update on PICS
Couldn't find the thread about the 80% lowers, so my apologies.
On the PA PICS login website:
As of 12-16-19, the sale of partially-manufactured (often referred to as 80%) frames and receivers and kits which include the same, requires a background check through the Pennsylvania Instant Check System, in accordance with the Attorney General's binding opinion and applicable requirements within the UFA. No sales may occur by a licensed firearms dealer without such a check. PSP is not yet ready to process such checks and is working diligently to have a process in place as soon as possible within the next thirty days to allow these checks to occur in a lawful manner.
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Does the AG actually have the legal authority to make such a "binding opinion"?
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streaker69
Does the AG actually have the legal authority to make such a "binding opinion"?
his pompous ass thinks he does....another overreaching political hack
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streaker69
Does the AG actually have the legal authority to make such a "binding opinion"?
Most AG suffer from a God syndrome :eek:
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so you can't buy from an ffl ...... but someone who sells 80% lowers and is not an ffl is ok to sell..... dumbass and illegal his job is not to make laws or interpret them he is not a judge and he is not the house or senate soooooo.
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I'm sure that our legisluture is hard at work filing a suit to stop his binding opinion.
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streaker69
I'm sure that our legisluture is hard at work filing a suit to stop his binding opinion.
and that's why we have Mr. Prince but still this crap has to stop.
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HKusp 45
and that's why we have Mr. Prince but still this crap has to stop.
The sad thing is, we shouldn't have to rely upon the citizens to reign this crap in, the "lawmakers" should be doing it themselves since he's exceeded his power.
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WCMG
Couldn't find the thread about the 80% lowers, so my apologies.
On the PA PICS login website:
As of 12-16-19, the sale of partially-manufactured (often referred to as 80%) frames and receivers and kits which include the same, requires a background check through the Pennsylvania Instant Check System, in accordance with the Attorney General's binding opinion and applicable requirements within the UFA. No sales may occur by a licensed firearms dealer without such a check. PSP is not yet ready to process such checks and is working diligently to have a process in place as soon as possible within the next thirty days to allow these checks to occur in a lawful manner.
I only call in, I wonder if they updated it.
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Rosco the Iroc
I only call in, I wonder if they updated it.
so how exactly are they going to run something without a serial number or is this just to make sure the person is not prohibited which then begs the question why should I have to pay for said check. There's no way to transfer something without an assigned S/N and again why would I have t pay a transfer fee as well for them already infringing on my rights as well. Is this free of charge then as it is an expense I would sooner not have incurred but for the grace of the Fucktard AG?
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streaker69
The sad thing is, we shouldn't have to rely upon the citizens to reign this crap in, the "lawmakers" should be doing it themselves since he's exceeded his power.
You get no argument from me here on that the people we have chosen to represent us should have put a halt on this already.
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streaker69
Does the AG actually have the legal authority to make such a "binding opinion"?
The AG doesn't have the authority to end reciprocity agreements, only enter new ones, but attorney general Kane did before she went to jail, and that has never been addressed.
OP: The thread you want is here I believe.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=355033
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PAMedic=F|A=
The AG doesn't have the authority to end reciprocity agreements, only enter new ones, but attorney general Kane did before she went to jail, and that has never been addressed.
OP: The thread you want is here I believe.
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=355033
so what your saying is the current Ag still didn't do his job in correcting that as well.
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HKusp 45
so what your saying is the current Ag still didn't do his job in correcting that as well.
Yep.
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I call bullshit, I have ordered and received numerous 80%'ers in the past week...
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I purchased five 0% pistol lowers and had no issue whatsoever.
Attachment 125887
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jtwalker
You know, if you were to gather all the chips after those are milled, they could be re-melted into another ingot and you could probably make 3 or 4 more pistols.
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streaker69
You know, if you were to gather all the chips after those are milled, they could be re-melted into another ingot and you could probably make 3 or 4 more pistols.
Unless he's homebrewing hi-points, then he's already a couple ingots short.
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raxar
Unless he's homebrewing hi-points, then he's already a couple ingots short.
Wow, a gun joke that I didn't get the first time, had to re-read a couple times to see what you did there.
LOL
I am dense, just like Hi-Points...
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The PSP can work as "diligently" as it wants to create an illegal way to register 80% lowers... and they can suck my dick while they're at it.
100% of it.
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Emptymag
The PSP can work as "diligently" as it wants to create an illegal way to register 80% lowers... and they can suck my dick while they're at it.
100% of it.
all i know is midway delivered my P80 long slide yesterday
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Emptymag
The PSP can work as "diligently" as it wants to create an illegal way to register 80% lowers... and they can suck my dick while they're at it.
100% of it.
if they jusy suck 80% of it what do they do with the left over 1/4 inch ?
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HKusp 45
all i know is midway delivered my P80 long slide yesterday
Time is ticking, folks.
It could be a year or more before the courts rule for/against the state police running background checks on non-firearms.
Get them while you can.
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DukeConnor
if they jusy suck 80% of it what do they do with the left over 1/4 inch ?
:D nothin like a good old small dick joke
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jthrelf
:D nothin like a good old small dick joke
its all i got
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Went to buy a firearm off another member today and the shop we did the transfer at had P80 pistols frames for sale.
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I know I know some people don't care much about his videos ¿
https://youtu.be/trZSISikZ0Y
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So the site is updated, now there's a form like the handgun one, and it's a extra fee, that dealers have to make you fill out were the manufacturer, model and serial number all can be none or unknown....and psp doesn't even want the fucking thing, I just have to hold on to it forever. What a fucking circle jerk.
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Rosco the Iroc
So the site is updated, now there's a form like the handgun one, and it's a extra fee, that dealers have to make you fill out were the manufacturer, model and serial number all can be none or unknown....and psp doesn't even want the fucking thing, I just have to hold on to it forever. What a fucking circle jerk.
So do to instill need to do a PICS check? They are still shipping via internet sales so this seems like a another do nothing requirement.
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Hodgie
So do to instill need to do a PICS check? They are still shipping via internet sales so this seems like a another do nothing requirement.
The way it’s worded seems like the current 80% BS really effects dealers selling them and not end users as much buying them from non FFLs.
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Wildbill990
The way it’s worded seems like the current 80% BS really effects dealers selling them and not end users as much buying them from non FFLs.
When you're making up your own fake laws as you go, sometimes it takes a bit of tweaking to get it as unlawful as possible.
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Wildbill990
The way it’s worded seems like the current 80% BS really effects dealers selling them and not end users as much buying them from non FFLs.
Pretty much. It's a bullshit interpretation not backed by law so in reality they can only badger FFLs because they regulate them via licensing
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Wildbill990
The way it’s worded seems like the current 80% BS really effects dealers selling them and not end users as much buying them from non FFLs.
Just over the border BS it's becoming a virus .
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...guns-requiring
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s2143
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If you can't find one that you can purchase in person, and are ok with ordering it online...
https://ar15safespace.com/?s=Polymer...t_type=product
Put your item in the cart to see the actual price.
Shipping is cheap at around $5
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Here's the link to the form on the PICS website that FFL's must fill out:
https://epics.pa.gov/Pics/PDF/PMFR_Application.pdf
Yes, FFL's are required to run a PICS check on 80% lowers as of today. Here's the directions for the new policy:
https://epics.pa.gov/Pics/PDF/Letter_to_Dealer.pdf
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WCMG
Again it's still not a law unless they can show me what was passed in the house . Also it's only going to apply to ffl holders which means companies that are not ffl holders can sell you whatever the hell they want.
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Anyone ever deal with these guys? https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Po...r_p_11076.html
They have the kits for $108.99
Edit: NVM. Think I found my answer in another thread :)
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rckeystone
Go with AR15safespace.com team delta tactical has gotten much better but for service and price AR15safespace is great, also rockeybrass.com has the whole add to cart to get the better price as well. Both are phenomenal places to order from
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rckeystone
They sell primarily crap stuff to people who don't know any better. Once in a while you find a deal on a brand name item.
I ordered from them once. I can't get off the mailing list. I'm currently playing my own spamming game of using their "contact us" form to ask things like "why won't you respond to me?" every day. Eventually they will get tired of me like you guys are!
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HKusp 45
Go with AR15safespace.com team delta tactical has gotten much better but for service and price AR15safespace is great, also rockeybrass.com has the whole add to cart to get the better price as well. Both are phenomenal places to order from
Midway has the G17 LONG SLIDE version again for $75 (only black is in stock)
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020552143