Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
WCMG
What I see happening is during an FFL's ATF inspection, the ATF will ask, "Have you sold any 80% lowers?" and if the answer is "Yes", you better be ready to show that new paperwork or you are in violation of state law, which is enough for the ATF to yank your license.
I can't ever recall the ATF asking to see copies of the Record of Sale form?
Do they regularly ask for yours?
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
HSMaxim
I can't ever recall the ATF asking to see copies of the Record of Sale form?
Do they regularly ask for yours?
Are 80% receivers regulated/documented at all when an FFL purchases them from a manufacturer or wholesaler, other than a bill of sale/packing list?
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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State police update process for selling 'ghost gun' frames
69 News 1 hr ago
The Pennsylvania State Police have updated the way gun dealers have to perform background checks for selling so-called "ghost gun" frames.
Officials said dealers can no longer use the online background check system.
Instead, dealers have to call the state police office that manages that system to get approval to sell the frames.
The change comes after Attorney General Josh Shapiro issued a legal opinion that "ghost guns" are firearms under state law.
https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/penns...5194edfdb.html
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
I Think most shops are not going to deal with them , not worth the hassle and risk .
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
57springer
I Think most shops are not going to deal with them , not worth the hassle and risk .
Sounds like a great business opportunity for someone WITHOUT an FFL.
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
For all the places that sell them online, and as cheaply as they sell them, IMO, it's not worth a FFL's time/money to buy to resale, their (FFL) selling cost, plus the sales tax, would be more than most buyers would want to pay.
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
Xringshooter
For all the places that sell them online, and as cheaply as they sell them, IMO, it's not worth a FFL's time/money to buy to resale, their (FFL) selling cost, plus the sales tax, would be more than most buyers would want to pay.
Which is exactly the goal of the jackass opinion. Make it too hard for the business to follow their arbitrary rules. Of course PSP is just following orders.
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
Just keep buying them off of the beer drinkers at the gun shows.
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
Xringshooter
For all the places that sell them online, and as cheaply as they sell them, IMO, it's not worth a FFL's time/money to buy to resale, their (FFL) selling cost, plus the sales tax, would be more than most buyers would want to pay.
Ron, what real costs does the dealer incur on the actual check? I see the form header doesn't say "transfer", but other language on the form suggests the possibility of "private" transfers being included. What if some nice compliant folks wanted to play along, and came in with pre-prepared forms for 100 or 500 "partially manufactured receivers" that they wished to transfer from one party to the other? The dealer would not have any inventory involved, just the "required" paperwork.
What I'm getting at is, what are the ways that we can legally flip this and use it to further make their efforts even more useless than they are as originally conceived?
Re: 80% Lower Update on PICS
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Originally Posted by
esh21167
Are 80% receivers regulated/documented at all when an FFL purchases them from a manufacturer or wholesaler, other than a bill of sale/packing list?
Up until now, no, 80% lowers were treated no different then any other non-firearm item, such as a magazine or holster. Only record keeping of any kind was tracking how many we had in stock.