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Does the Fayette County Sheriff provide non-resident permits? The database here says yes, but their website says you need PA ID to get a permit.
I travel up this way a lot, and my daughter goes to school in Pittsburgh. It would be nice to have a permit.
I tried the Allegheny Sheriff, and they don't do NR permits. Apparently, neither does the Washington county Sheriff, as we drive through there on the way to PA a lot, and they didn't seem too helpful.
Any ideas would be great!
Thanks!
I believe they do, but call to be sure:
724-430-1295.
All PA sheriffs (and Philly PD), of course, are supposed to issue to NRs, but some ignore the law and do not.
Their website says
So they should :pQuote:
We will be consistent, impartial, and have a compassionate manner.
We will perform our duty with dignity, pride and honor.
I dont see the info on the website...unless I'm just missing it.
Fayette County does issue NR LCC permits. With a few conditions.
First and foremost, you must have a LCC for the state in which you are a resident.
18 Pa.C.S. § 6109:
(e)(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following: ...
(ix)A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
Second, the state for which you have an LCC must have a reciprocity agreement with PA. (So, Ohio & Maryland residents you're out of luck in Fayette County, and most of SW PA. Some NW counties do for Ohio.)
Third of course, considering conditions 1 & 2 are met, you must still pass a PICS check.
Conditions 1 & 2 do not apply to active and retired LOEs. Their credentials satisfy those requirements. Even though LOSA covers them some officers still get or want the permits.
I just called the local Sheriff's department in Fayette County and they informed me that they do not issue non resident permits. I live in Ohio, but my parents live here, and I am legally licensed in Ohio...just thought it would be nice, so that I wouldn't have to exit my vehicle at the line and lock my stuff up in the back of the vehicle.
I added some comments in red below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steel Talon
Depends on whether you want to push it, but they are supposed to issue to all qualified applicants. You could show up with a completed application and $20 and say "I'm applying for a PA license to carry firearms" and see what they do. There's no basis in law for them to not accept an application; if you give them the application and fee you've applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarlett513
If they won't take them from you then you could just put them in the desk in front of the deputy or staff member who normally takes applications. By law the sheriff then has 45 days from application to issue (or deny for good cause, by certified mail). If you give them an application and fee and don't hear anything for 50 days or so you could file an appeal with the court for a constructive denial.
That's strange. There have been others here who have said Fayette will issue to non-res.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarlett513
Maybe call again and hopefully get a different person or email the sheriff directly:
sheriff@fayettepa.org
I'm visiting now, but I don't live to far from Erie...so I'll just make a trip there...I'll give them my money instead of Fayette County getting it...not worth the hassle...
Just got my firearms license, easiest 15 minutes of my life[not counting my daily nap.] How can it be so hard to get a Pa. drivers license and so easy to get a gun license?
Driving is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a right.
What's so hard about getting a DL?Quote:
Originally Posted by robert slabaugh
Well, let's see, They won't take cash or debit cards, you have to have a STATE issued birth certificate[ the one I had from 1956, which I used to get a drivers license in 1973 can't be used] and the fact I have Class A CDL wasn't good enough either. The state issued birth certificate was $38 and since I used the internet to order it, was going to be expedited in 20 to 25 WORKING days. Hell, I didn't know you could use the words expedited and 20 working days in the same sentence. After all that, the supervisor tried to disqualify my medical card, even though it was issued in PA.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiredGoon
That's ridiculous. Didn't know they make you jump through that many hoops. What happened to common sense? You had a CDL. Bureaucracy at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by robert slabaugh
I called ahead to see if I could get a non-Resident permit. They asked my state, put me on hold, did some checking and said no issue if I filled out the form, and brought a copy of my drivers license and my native state carry license.
When I got there, they were confused, that I was out of state. They dug up the rules and told me my state didn't have repricosity, so I could not apply. I mentioned I called ahead and was told it was fine, they replied that the other person might have accepted it, but he would not. Frustrating.
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Originally Posted by vpkirk
Complete garbage from them. Reciprocity has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with holding a PA license to carry.
It makes as much sense as trying to order coffee from a shop and being told they can't sell you any because their wholesaler was out of tea.
Was that Fayette Co.?Quote:
Originally Posted by vpkirk
Ridiculous.
Call and ask to speak with the sheriff directly.
Yes, that was Fayette County.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiredGoon
Instead, I drove to Westmoreland County and registered there. They were happy to take my registration, though the secretary had to get some help, as it was her first time with a non-resident registration. They also required a letter about why I would like a permit, I modified the example in the Westmoreland NR thread. They said I should get a notification on their decision in 40 days.
I am from Minnesota, with low gas prices we decided on a driving vacation. We had thought about Pennsylvania, but Pennsylvania does not honor the three states I have permits for, and I prefer to vacation where I do not have to disarm. So we decided to vacation and see some sights in Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina which are permit-friendly to what I have. We came from Michigan after visiting the in-laws, so I decided to swing through Pennsylvania and apply for a permit, to use in a future year, on our way. :-) So perhaps I will be back if the permit application is accepted. I was told the permit was at the sherif's discretion, so it may not go through. I thought Pennsylvania was a shall-issue state, but "at the sherif's discretion" sounds more like a may-issue state.
Wha????? That's complete BS too from that sheriff.Quote:
Originally Posted by vpkirk
"Why do I want a permit???"
"Because the law says I am qualified and that you are required to issue it...that's why".
And also, to legally hunt terrorists :)