***Pittsburgh City Council, 1/24/19, 1800 (6PM)***

Please ask them how this will make a difference and have your facts that it will not... Example :67% of gun violence stats are suicide and we have lower suicide rates than Japan, France and Iceland. 18% of so called gun violence is police and self defense... Used much more 8n self defense than criminal use. Then finally of the final 15%, 85% of those killings are drug and gangs in strict gun control cities of Chicago, LA, Oakland, Baltimore, trenton, etc. We're at 1940s levels of so called gun violence.

Wish I could be there, these people will do what they want but the hate being put on the spot. Come with facts especially on pre emotion. They'll try to say the courts ruled pre emotion was Unconstitutional, but it was only over turned because it was attached to a scrap bill. Good luck and press them with numerous questions.

May want to take the legal definition of a municipality, as well.

My first thought was, ‘well... are cities considered municipalities?’. A quick search online leads me to believe that municipalities include cities, buroughs, townships and incorporated towns.

Just thinking this may be their MO to try to get it passed.

Wish I could attend, but I’m 3 hours away. Keep fighting the good fight gents.

Best of luck,
Bilky

Yes, a city, borough and township are all types of municipalities.

Philly gets special treatment due to their size. Pittsburgh does not.

Pittsburgh has a Home Rule Charter.

http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/citycle..._home_rule.pdf



As such, and in my "not a lawyer" opinion, then Title 52 Section 2962(g) makes it even more clear that Pittsburgh has no right to do this.

""(g) Regulation of firearms.--A municipality shall not enact
any ordinance or take any other action dealing with the
regulation of the transfer, ownership, transportation or
possession of firearms.""

2962 is restrictions on Home Rule.

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/L.../PDF/53/53.PDF



I don't know how Pittsburgh think it is on solid legal ground, unless they're counting on the democratic supreme court to overturn BOTH preemptions in the statutes. The home rule aspect caught my ear yesterday, when I was up near the entrance of the city building and overheard someone on the cities side talking about home rule wording being a work around 6201.

I just don't see it since home rule limitations also preempt firearm regulation.

So a city of the First Class would be it’s own entity, separate and different from a municipality? Would that be a correct assumption?

Sounds odd, especially being under the same Commonwealth of all the other towns, cities, townships, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bilky

So a city of the First Class would be it’s own entity, separate and different from a municipality? Would that be a correct assumption?

Sounds odd, especially being under the same Commonwealth of all the other towns, cities, townships, etc.

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A city of the first class is still a municipality, but is granted certain exemptions and additional powers.

And Philly is the only city that ever was or ever will be "first class" in PA. No way Pittsburgh reaches 1MM people, and if PGH did, legislators from the East side of the state would push to amend the definition to exclude PGH.

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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Pittsburgh has a Home Rule Charter.

http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/citycle..._home_rule.pdf



As such, and in my "not a lawyer" opinion, then Title 52 Section 2962(g) makes it even more clear that Pittsburgh has no right to do this.

""(g) Regulation of firearms.--A municipality shall not enact
any ordinance or take any other action dealing with the
regulation of the transfer, ownership, transportation or
possession of firearms.""

2962 is restrictions on Home Rule.

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/L.../PDF/53/53.PDF



I don't know how Pittsburgh think it is on solid legal ground, unless they're counting on the democratic supreme court to overturn BOTH preemptions in the statutes. The home rule aspect caught my ear yesterday, when I was up near the entrance of the city building and overheard someone on the cities side talking about home rule wording being a work around 6201.

I just don't see it since home rule limitations also preempt firearm regulation.

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I don't think they believe they have a legal case and I don't believe they will attempt to enforce these ordinances, once passed. I believe they are trying to form a coalition of local governments who will pass similar illegal ordinances, and to use that precedent to then lobby the state legislature to repeal preemption. I believe this is their play.

They want to be able to say: "we have laws on the books that could have prevented this, but the state won't let us enforce them."

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Originally Posted by marinville

I don't think they believe they have a legal case and I don't believe they will attempt to enforce these ordinances, once passed. I believe they are trying to form a coalition of local governments who will pass similar illegal ordinances, and to use that precedent to then lobby the state legislature to repeal preemption. I believe this is their play.

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Gotcha, thanks!

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Originally Posted by marinville

I don't think they believe they have a legal case and I don't believe they will attempt to enforce these ordinances, once passed. I believe they are trying to form a coalition of local governments who will pass similar illegal ordinances, and to use that precedent to then lobby the state legislature to repeal preemption. I believe this is their play.

They want to be able to say: "we have laws on the books that could have prevented this, but the state won't let us enforce them."

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Yup.
Which is why Wolf is encouraging it.

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Originally Posted by PA_Robert

I can do 6:00 PM in Pittsburgh.

I'll bring four items:

• Pocket US Constitution
• PA State Constitution (with Article 1 section 21 highlighted)
• UFA Section 6120 (a)
• Legal definition of Preemption

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I am quite certain that you will have to leave those in the "drop off box", I am quite certain that the Pittsburgh City Council do that all the time. :)