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was down at the shop today and saw a used FN57 for $850.
Is that a fair/standard price for the gun used?
It doesn't look like it has been shot much, if at all...
I think it would make a nice range toy for the collection, being that ammo is even cheaper than .40 right now.
It looks like a good zombie pistol as well :)
I'd consider calling gun stores by you and checking gunbroker.com to see what you could get one for???
The round is nice. For self defense purposes I wouldn't know about it, but for target and zombies (head shots only) it seems that it performs well. The guy at the shop told me it was identical to an AR-15 round (.223) and that it was good for self defense because the bullet breaks up into little pieces on contact with someone. huh? :confused:
I think I'll pass it up. It seems online they go for about ~$900 new, $849 at some place, but I can't buy online anyway. Hopefully one will pop up locally and is priced that way. Not over $1,000 like I've seen before.
FNH developed the 5.7 for NATO as they were looking for armor piercing capabilities that the 9mm did not possess. Armor piercing rounds are not available to the general population. As soon as the novelty of the gun wears off, I think the prices will drop. I don't know if the gun was accepted by NATO. If you want to be the first kid on your block to own one, go for it. The used ones I've seen go for over 900.
From what I understand, 5.7 carries much less power than a 5.56 round. Bullets that break into little pieces are called frangible, and have little to do with what caliber you're talking about inasmuch as you can have a frangible bullet on any caliber round. Frangible is nice for shooting steel targets and arguably for personal defense. It might be necessary for using 5.7 for defensive purposes, because frangible ammo expends all of its energy on contact instead of spending a good amount of it in penetration through your target.Quote:
Originally Posted by 24/7dude
They aint new. The novelty wore off long ago. FN is not going to drop prices. They'll probably just stop selling it in the US first. And I won't be the first guy on my block to own one. But, yeah, looking forward to the day I can get a used one at a decent price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie De
That's all true, as long as you understand that 5.56 FMJ breaks into mostly little pieces under 200 yards and that is a substantial part of the wounding effect and reputation for the round.Quote:
Originally Posted by levib
I don't believe that it's so much of a frangible round as it was designed to tumble after impact.
The 5.7 was designed to be shoot at high velocity so it could penetrate light body armor. The HV rounds are restricted here ... not sure if it's really restricted .. more like FN decided to stop selling it here. If you reload or get ammo from elite, you can get some pretty nice rounds.
I've been trying to research this the past week or two, but I'm not really finding much. Most of what's out there was written in 2005 or 2006. I haven't really fund much that was wrote in the past year or so. It always leads to an argument that it is or is not just a glorified .22 mag round. I would love to get a batch of ballistic gel and do some tests.
Yes $850 is what the used ones are going for , or just spend $150 more and get a new one for $996.
Its a fun gun, light , easy to carry and accurate, and of course deadly.
I have all the
glocks and SIgs i could ever need , so i bought mine because i think its an interesting gun, and i enjoy shooting it.
OBTW, Check to see if FN still have the promotion going wherein you send a copy of your reciept to them and they mail you 200 rounds of ammo , all FN dealers have the coupon.
Buy what you like and enjoy and dont worry about theory.
Nyman
not worrying about theory, just overpaying.
on gunbroker I saw a NIB 57 going for $850 but I don't think I'll find that price locally anytime soon. I'll swing by the shop again and strip it down. If it's in LNIB condition I may pick it up.
Nyman, do you know if you can still get the free 200 rounds if you buy used?
If you buy it gun broker or anywhere on the internet by the time it gets to you its going to cost you over a thousand dollars when you add ffl fees, shipping and handling fees, insurance cost etc , cheaper at the store.
Plus the store mighht still have those coupons, thats a 60-100$ saving on ammo.
Nymax
OBTW, do a you tube search on the Peruvian police anti-terrorist hostage rescue shoot out at the Peruvian Parliament building in Peru, the video were on you-tube . might still be there , reportedly all the terrs shot with this round died immediately , all thier inside organs were torn up according to the autopsies.
I didnt see the promo on FN's website but i believe the y will honor all the coupons still out there .
Call Phil at Weaver's and ask him, he is a bigtime FN dealer, 570 992 9433
Nyman
please don't forget that there is very powerful (albeit on backorder) ammo available from Elite Ammunition. it is also very different in terms of terminal ballistics. the round does not transfer kinetic energy for "knock down" power. it tumbles and bounces like a .22 or .223. SS197 penetrates more deeply than 9mm.
http://eliteammunition.com/
The FN stuff is IMO target ammo. I have EA's Protectors and Raptors for carry. this stuff is shit hot. not taking orders for the Raptors at present, but the Protectors are 55gr at 2300fps.
other things to consider about the FN, it is a BIG pistol... not a CC piece, despite its light weight. it is EXTREMELY accurate. it is also capable of very long range (150 yds on a man-sized target).
it's no "toy". It is, IMO as an owner, a niche gun. If you are going to use one, you need to understand how it is meant to be employed. Try to get one to shoot, and let that help you decide.
the price is very good, btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKgG2W6_N0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npFXEHfeA0
I'm very fond of mine. Fortunately, I bought it before the prices started upto where they are now.
+1 about Elite Ammunition.
Ten K's post is right on. A full sized semi-auto - the neat thing is it's weight; loaded with 20 rounds, it weighs less than my Glock 36 with six rounds.
And yes, accurate....here's a picture of a group fired from the bench at 100 yards - it is four inches c-to-c.
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And that guy at the gun storeMaybe he meant bullet diameter - and even some bullets if you reload - but other than that it's not anywhere close to the .223 Rem/5.56 NATO.Quote:
identical to an AR-15 round (.223)
Yeah, the guy at your shop is an idiot. The 5.7 is a small rifle round, it is NOT identical to .223 if it were he'd be selling you an FN 5.56 and even I would have trouble holding it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 24/7dude
Uhh, seriously? All bullets transfer kinetic energy even 6mm airsoft pellets transfer kinetic energy. Also .22 is way different then .223. A .22 may deflect off a bone if it does not have the velocity to go through it, but it's rare that it "bounces" around, the only time there is the realistic potential for that is an intercranial strike. The difference is the way that they transfer energy. STHP rifle ammunition and pistol rounds transfer energy by either impact or controlled expansion. Normal rifle ball ammunition depends on fragmentation in which the bullet tumbles and ideally tears itself apart leaving a much larger permanent wound channel than a pistol round would and why it would surprise me if it penetrated further than 9mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ten*K
Great gun kicks less than my .22 ruger mark II. accurate easy to squire target. Cannot be fired at many gun ranges because the round moves too fast. Light as anything I Paid $900 new about two years ago. Expensive ammo!
Come on down to SPAG, only rifle I've seen them turn away was a .50 BMG :DQuote:
Originally Posted by exceltoexcel
I'd love to try shooting one, I just see no practical application to justify owning one, especially with the $1k price tag. Damndest thing is they fit my hand like a glove so I'd really like to try one out sometime.
Where is SPAG? I'm clueless. if I'm near there you buy the ammo and I'll let you shoot it. the ammo is out of this world expensive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Legion_Prime
South Philly Archery & Gun, it's in the Italian Market in Philly. I don't know where Limerick is but I know Montgomery County isn't too far away. If you're going to be down in Philly let me know and if I'm free I'll be glad to show you where it is.
i can vouch for the fact that it is not a glorified .22 mag round. I saw a video on youtube where I guy shot a bunch of wet phone book with a .22 mag and the 5.7x28. the 5.7 mad a much bigger hole and went a few inches deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo
Which is why I would love to do some ballistic gel tests. I take most things that I see on youtube with a nice hunk of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by autotech6506
I owned a FiveseveN in the past, and loved it.. true it too big to CC comfy but I did anyway for about a year when I was traveling into the ouskirts of Mimai at night. I had it plus two mags on me, so 60 rds ready for action. I think I was loaded w/ SS195 or SS197, not sure.. the SS190 is AP round. My dealer told me he can indeed still get it.. maybe BS maybe not..
The gun is easy to cc due to its so light, even loaded w/20 rds, you barely feel it.. also the trigger guard is really open as the gun is made for SWAT teams, etc.. and they are always wearing gloves, so for cold weather you dont have to take your gloves off if you need a pistol in a hurry..
It has zero recoil and you can easily put 20 rds downrange on target in seconds..
around here in S Fl figure on paying $1110 new and $900 used..
Yes, that is the most common criticism. What gets left out in the frequent comparisons is that the 5.7X28 round fired from a pistol with a five inch barrel equals or betters (Elite Ammo) .22 magnum ballistics from a rifle.Quote:
a glorified .22 mag round
Pete
and the 5.56 is a "glorified .22" ... it's not heavy enough to pound tent stakes and yada yada yadda...
the regular ammo is NOT expensive. a little more than 9mm or .40, a lot less than .357, .380, and .45
if you want one, maybe consider the opinions of those who also own ones over those who do not.
it's an absolute joy to shoot, and if SHTF, it's the one my wife wants to carry.
I don't know if the thread starter is still interested in one of these but Shyda's in Lebanon has them NIB for $899.
thanks, I'll have to check them out!