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hey guys - anyone know what's required to transer a bunch of guns from someone if you buy them out of state from a private party? both handguns and long guns......... a friend of mine who doesn't have computer access got some guns from a friend of his in CT and brought them back here to test them all and now he wants to buy them - in CT you just send in some papers saying you transferred the guns - is this all that needs to be done?
all interstate transfers, except bequeathals, must go through a FFL. If the friend owning the handguns and longguns is a CT resident, they must be shipped to a PA FFL for transfer to a PA resident.
If your firend has the guns in his possession right now (in PA), both he and his friend in CT have broken the law. A person can purchase a long arm from a connecting state, as long as they are legal in their home state. A person in a connecting state cannot buy a handgun, interstate commerce of handguns would have to go through a FFL. Interstate commerce of long guns must go through a FFL with the exception of those buying from a bordering state.
I see its time to post the ATF FAQ YET AGAIN
you can buy a long gun in ANY state under federal law, not just states bordering your states.
Folks, please bookmark this link, this page will answer 99% of questions like this:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm
specifically:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1
(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]
A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State? [Back]
A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer
Thanks for the info JayBell, my bad, I forgot that they had changed the long arm purchase rules. I guess that's why you're a Super Moderator, some one has too keep us in line.
I think I know the answer but would like clarification on this scenario. This scenario was proposed but is not going to happen. A friend of mine in PA (has LTCF) has a friend in WV that wants to sell him a handgun. The guy from WV comes to PA once a month on business. He wanted to let the guy in PA borrow the handgun for one month. One month later, the guy from WV would return and they either go to an FFL to do the sale and transfer or the guy from WV takes the handgun home if the deal does not go through. I assume this would have been a violation of Federal law because taking the handgun to the range for a month to test it out is likely not "temporary use for lawful sporting purposes" ?
New question, I checked the ATF FAQ, now located at:Quote:
Originally Posted by JayBell
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm
I cannot find anything about special restrictions for bordering states. Can you please elaborate on these restrictions?
Holy zombie thread, batman!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ungawa
MD, NY, PRNJ, have state imposed "assault weapons" restrictions...
I searched before I asked ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers80002
I believe that the 'bordering state' restriction is a holdover from the original GCA of 68. It allowed interstate long-gun purchase in contiguous states provided the home state passed enabling legislation. It forbade non-contiguous sales between non-licensees. That restriction was later changed to allow long-gun purchases interstate (contiguous and non-contiguous).Quote:
Originally Posted by ungawa
That's probably why there was this Pa statute:
which was later expanded to allow non-contiguous:Quote:
18 Pa CSA §6141. Purchase of Firearms in Contiguous States.
(a) General rule.—It is lawful for a person residing in this Commonwealth, including a corporation or other business entity maintaining a place of business in this Commonwealth, to pur*chase or otherwise obtain a rifle or shotgun in a state contiguous to this Commonwealth and to receive or transport such rifle or shotgun into this Commonwealth.
(b) Applicability of section.—
(1) This section applies to residents of this Commonwealth who obtain rifles or shotguns from a state contiguous to this Commonwealth in compliance with the Gun Control Act of 1968, State laws and local ordinances.
(2) This section shall not apply or be construed to affect in any way the purchase, receipt or transportation of rifles and shotguns by Federally licensed firearms manufacturers, importers, dealers or collectors.
(c) Definitions.—
(1) As used in this section the term “a state contiguous to this Commonwealth” means any state having a common border with this Commonwealth.
(2) The other terms used in this section shall have the mean*ings ascribed to them by Public Law 90-618 known as the “Gun Control Act of 1968.”
Quote:
18 Pa CSA §6141.1. Purchase of Firearms in Contiguous States.
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit a person in this commonwealth who may lawfully purchase, possess, use, control, sell, transfer or manufacture a firearm which exceeds the barrel and related lengths set forth in section 6102 (relating to definitions) from lawfully purchasing or otherwise obtaining such a firearm in a jurisdiction outside this Commonwealth. (Added by L.1997,Act5(3), eff 6/21/97.)
Scenario: South Carolina resident brings a long gun to PA for shooting (plinking).
Q. Can he/she sell that long gun to a PA resident without a FFL involved? All parties and the rifle are in PA.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Levi34
It's not where you are standing, it's where your home state is. Still an INTERstate transfer and requires an FFL in any state for long gun
No. That's still an interstate transfer because the two parties are residents of different states. An FFL is required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levi34
JayBell gave an excellent legal answer, but here's the nuts-and-bolts answer for your friend who already broke a few laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher
1: Buyer needs a clear copy of the seller's driver license.
2: Find an FFL who allows firearms to be delivered to them from a civilian. The FFL will log them into his A&D book from CT DL info. For those that are wondering about this answer, the buyer is acting as the "carrier" for the firearms instead of using FedEx/UPS/USPS. The firearms are already in the state, so let's make them legal by getting them into an A&D book instead of shipping them back to CT to an FFL who would just ship them back to PA to another FFL or worst driving them back to CT.
3: Have that FFL transfer the firearms to the buyer per PA regulations.
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Originally Posted by WCGS
You may not be aware of it, but the person and the question you are responding to was asked 6 1/2 years ago. ;)
Nope... now that was a wasted 10 minutes of my life. Thanks for the heads up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
WCGS, thank you for the your input , I found it interesting and informative .Quote:
Originally Posted by WCGS
as to the 6 1/2 yr time span of the OP ,, was new to me , so , again
thank you
pat