President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban, Citizens Have 90 Days to Turn Them In

Report: President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban, Citizens Have 90 Days to Turn Them In
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-turn-them-in/

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President Donald Trump is expected to announce that he will be signing a ban on bump stocks that gives Americans 90 days to hand them over or otherwise dispose of them.

Bump stocks were used during the October 1, 2017, Las Vegas attack. That attack marked the first time that bump stocks were known to have been used in a crime.

The ATF circulated language to ban bump stocks at Trump’s direction in December 2017. The public was allowed to comment and gun control outlet The Trace reported that 85 percent of those who commented opposed a ban.

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

ATF Acting Director Thomas Brandon told the U.S. Senate he anticipates a legal challenge against the ban and acknowledged that that challenge could slow the ban’s implementation.

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Originally Posted by ett

Report: President Trump Signing Bump Stock Ban, Citizens Have 90 Days to Turn Them In
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-turn-them-in/

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Gonna be a lot of people taking their guns on a canoe trip...

Here's one from my personal archives, to commemorate this monumental achievement:

https://i.postimg.cc/nhjdKVvs/Screen...228-181730.png

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I don't have any but I'm curious if someone has something previously legal and it becomes illegal and is required to surrender it without compensation, isn't that something that could be challenged?

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Bumpfire stock sniffing dogs are being trained as we speak

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Originally Posted by crffl

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I don't have any but I'm curious if someone has something previously legal and it becomes illegal and is required to surrender it without compensation, isn't that something that could be challenged?

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Ask anyone in NY that lost their > 10 round magazines in a tragic boating accident.

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CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

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If this happens exactly as stated then he just set the stage for an all out semi auto ban in the future, but remember those with power and influence who are supposed to be representing the people are playing 3D chess while the rest of us are eating crayons and playing checkers.

It's ridiculous.
It will never fly. They have to compensate people that actually turn them in...

Which of you cops are coming for mine, because I will not comply?

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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Which of you cops are coming for mine, because I will not comply?

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I think the exclusive enforcer should be an elected position.

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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Which of you cops are coming for mine, because I will not comply?

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No worries, we've been told how law enforcement won't follow an unconstitutional order such as this.

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Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter

I think the exclusive enforcer should be an elected position.

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Maybe that "nuke everyone" jack ass from California? This would be good practice for him since he has already said they should be doing this for Semi auto "assault weapons".

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Originally Posted by streaker69

No worries, we've been told how law enforcement won't follow an unconstitutional order such as this.

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That was in the same thread as Trump is super pro 2A, right?

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Originally Posted by lts1ow

That was in the same thread as Trump is super pro 2A, right?

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Possibly, or it may have been one of the ones about how the NRA is a national treasure and anyone who isn't a member is a public enemy.

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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Which of you cops are coming for mine, because I will not comply?

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I disposed of mine already under the assumption that I will be reimbursed if the EO is overturned

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Originally Posted by ExFlyinguy

I disposed of mine already under the assumption that I will be reimbursed if the EO is overturned

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same with me, I just have to go look on the bottom of the lake for it.....

I refuse to play a cat and mouse game. I'm out and out stating that I have one and I am refusing to comply with the order. I'm ready.

Fuck Trump. No National Reciprocity and now this crap. Hope you guys that loved him sooooo much stay on your knees in front of his zipper. Pro 2A my ass.

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Originally Posted by Aggies Coach

Fuck Trump. No National Reciprocity and now this crap. Hope you guys that loved him sooooo much stay on your knees in front of his zipper. Pro 2A my ass.

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There is no doubt that Hitlery and Burny would both have done us better. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Walleye Hunter

There is no doubt that Hitlery and Burny would both have done us better. :cool:

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At least they would have done what they campaigned on.

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Originally Posted by lts1ow

At least they would have done what they campaigned on.

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No doubt and I'd bet that they would have even exceeded our expectations.

I guess it's another example of "Statists gonna State"

In truth, we're one Democrat supermajority away from losing the 2nd almost entirely. All of us should know this and be thankful that Trump did at least seem to make a couple decent SCOTUS picks.

Here's hoping all new gun control (this directive without legislation included) goes to the SCOTUS and gets knocked down.

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Originally Posted by marinville

Here's one from my personal archives, to commemorate this monumental achievement:

https://i.postimg.cc/nhjdKVvs/Screen...228-181730.png

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If I never see her smile like that again, it will be too soon...

Is this ban based upon the "new and improved" definition of fully automatic that ATF laid out recently? If so I don't see how it survives review.As I recall, the new interpretation posits that the bump stock functions without the presence of the trigger finger. I would like to see that demonstrated. As I understand bump stocks, the firing is dependent upon the trigger "bumping" the trigger finger. If the finger is removed does the weapon still fire or does an uncontrolled mag dump occur?

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Originally Posted by Aggies Coach

Fuck Trump. No National Reciprocity and now this crap. Hope you guys that loved him sooooo much stay on your knees in front of his zipper. Pro 2A my ass.

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You know what makes a difference? Judges. I don't know who you voted for, maybe Hillary, maybe third party, maybe no one. It doesn't fucking matter because Trump has put two solidly pro 2A people on the SCOTUS and a shit-ton on the lower courts. This is a much longer game than knee jerk bullshit over a piece of plastic that can be cranked out on a 3D printer. Having judges that will rule that semi-auto rifles are covered by the 2A are far more important than a bump-stock. I expect bump-stocks will be right up there with 922R compliance, something almost no one gives a fuck about.

I'm smart enough to see the long term implications of not voting Trump. We'd now have Justice Garland and Justice XXXX, both of whom would be solidly anti-gun. Ginsburg would likely have pulled the plug as well, handing her seat off to a young progressive. How many more will there be? And the lower courts would be a nightmare of progressivism. I didn't love Trump, but I voted for him knowing that the alternatives would be far worse. I was correct and that hasn't changed.

Nope, he's not Ted Cruz making bacon on the barrel of an AR. But he remains, as of now, our best hope to retain our 2A right, regardless of bump-stocks.

Agree ^^^^

If legal challenges are filed, I will be happy to donate.

In the end it's a bad precedent if allowed to stand as big government can just write executive order bans on anything and then you have to give it up without being compensated.

It's a stupid move by Trump.

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Originally Posted by unclejumbo

You know what makes a difference? Judges. I don't know who you voted for, maybe Hillary, maybe third party, maybe no one. It doesn't fucking matter because Trump has put two solidly pro 2A people on the SCOTUS and a shit-ton on the lower courts. This is a much longer game than knee jerk bullshit over a piece of plastic that can be cranked out on a 3D printer. Having judges that will rule that semi-auto rifles are covered by the 2A are far more important than a bump-stock. I expect bump-stocks will be right up there with 922R compliance, something almost no one gives a fuck about.

I'm smart enough to see the long term implications of not voting Trump. We'd now have Justice Garland and Justice XXXX, both of whom would be solidly anti-gun. Ginsburg would likely have pulled the plug as well, handing her seat off to a young progressive. How many more will there be? And the lower courts would be a nightmare of progressivism. I didn't love Trump, but I voted for him knowing that the alternatives would be far worse. I was correct and that hasn't changed.

Nope, he's not Ted Cruz making bacon on the barrel of an AR. But he remains, as of now, our best hope to retain our 2A right, regardless of bump-stocks.

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Fact is a lot of these dumb laws the Republicans were right behind and the NRA as well. In the end with this case, people have to surrender something they bought in good faith with no compensation and in addition we get nothing at all, remember all the delusional people thinking they could trade bump stocks for reciprocity?

If Trump starts acting like a democrat or a Bush or one of these go along to get along Republicans, well I'll assess the situation in late 2019, early 2020, but I will not be enthused.

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Originally Posted by Sgt.K

If I never see her smile like that again, it will be too soon...

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That's what nightmares are made of..

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Originally Posted by rkrcpa

Is this ban based upon the "new and improved" definition of fully automatic that ATF laid out recently? If so I don't see how it survives review.As I recall, the new interpretation posits that the bump stock functions without the presence of the trigger finger. I would like to see that demonstrated. As I understand bump stocks, the firing is dependent upon the trigger "bumping" the trigger finger. If the finger is removed does the weapon still fire or does an uncontrolled mag dump occur?

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It really has nothing to do with fingers, triggers, accessories, modifications,one pull one shot, peoples feels or anyones definition of them .In simplistic terms it really just comes down to the Pew,Pew,Pew that comes out of the business end of the barrel, That's all folks!

At this point anyone playing the "fuck em, let them come get it" game might as well convert their rifles to select-fire. If a bump-stock is a machinegun, then a machinegun is a machinegun. Might as well build the real thing if you're going to risk a 10-year prison sentence.
And it's less risky to take a real one to the range as long as you keep it in semi. Most people probably won't notice the third pin and "auto" mark (psst. leave it off). A bump stock is pretty instantly recognizable.

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Originally Posted by Nickel Plated

At this point anyone playing the "fuck em, let them come get it" game might as well convert their rifles to select-fire. If a bump-stock is a machinegun, then a machinegun is a machinegun. Might as well build the real thing if you're going to risk a 10-year prison sentence.
And it's less risky to take a real one to the range as long as you keep it in semi. Most people probably won't notice the third pin and "auto" mark (psst. leave it off). A bump stock is pretty instantly recognizable.

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As Spock would say, your logic is infallible Nickle Plated

those folks with the 80% lowers surely have the machining capabilities to fab up a DIAS (drop in auto sear)

Molon Labe!
http://kingpintattoosupply.com/Produ...ge/RBB-THK.jpg

Thousands of privately owned 3D printers are already dialed in.

Now what?

Do they not know technology will fill any void created by foolish mandates?

Idiotic move by DJT to piss off the very people who put him in office.

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Originally Posted by str8shooter

Ask anyone in NY that lost their > 10 round magazines in a tragic boating accident.

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That was state, so they could argue you can dispose of them out of state - so no taking under 5A.

This is federal, there has to be a compensation package or it's a slam dunk court case.

Of course, even without that it's a slam dunk court case since ATF and EO can't create law, just adjust scope. Bump stocks are no way machine guns per federal regulation; first court case and this is gone unless Congress specifically bans bump stocks.

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Originally Posted by Nickel Plated

At this point anyone playing the "fuck em, let them come get it" game might as well convert their rifles to select-fire. If a bump-stock is a machinegun, then a machinegun is a machinegun. Might as well build the real thing if you're going to risk a 10-year prison sentence.
And it's less risky to take a real one to the range as long as you keep it in semi. Most people probably won't notice the third pin and "auto" mark (psst. leave it off). A bump stock is pretty instantly recognizable.

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Look at the ssar mod stock, it looks alot more like a stock than the cheap ones. And the difference is in the definition of machinegun, you can argue the bumpstock does not function like a dias, or sear pack. The atf already said Congress must approve with the change in definition of machine gun in order to ban bumpstocks

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Originally Posted by Nickel Plated

At this point anyone playing the "fuck em, let them come get it" game might as well convert their rifles to select-fire. If a bump-stock is a machinegun, then a machinegun is a machinegun. Might as well build the real thing if you're going to risk a 10-year prison sentence.
And it's less risky to take a real one to the range as long as you keep it in semi. Most people probably won't notice the third pin and "auto" mark (psst. leave it off). A bump stock is pretty instantly recognizable.

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Like it or not I too see the merit in this post. Sure you can keep it but will never be able to use it and if there is an event at your house like a fire or a break-in your illegal bump-stock could be found by LE. Not any different than it will be if semi-automatic rifles are banned (which I'm sure is on the agenda). The only difference would be that if TSHTF the semi-automaic rifles would be of use. I do see this as a progress that needs to be stopped in its tracks and I won't feel easy about it unless/until a favorable ruling comes down from the high court.

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Originally Posted by marinville

Here's one from my personal archives, to commemorate this monumental achievement:

https://i.postimg.cc/nhjdKVvs/Screen...228-181730.png

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I believe that photo was from the Kavanaugh hearings when they agreed to the week-long FBI investigation. I remember that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHsNIxwQlc

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Originally Posted by alpacaheat

I believe that photo was from the Kavanaugh hearings when they agreed to the week-long FBI investigation. I remember that one.

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Nope see post above.

*Trump gave Feinstein her first orgasm in 50 years