Anybody have any information on this? Looks pretty cool:
https://www.facebook.com/keystoneshootingcenter/
Will be cool if it is true!
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Anybody have any information on this? Looks pretty cool:
https://www.facebook.com/keystoneshootingcenter/
Will be cool if it is true!
Will be looking into it ....
Hopefully they will incorporate some "good" range rules/standards.
My wife and I were in Columbus Ohio a couple of times in the last month and I visited 3 indoor ranges, all better facilities with better rules/standards than anything local around here.
Will have my fingers crossed!
Some reading about it here: http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=247020
It's been in the works for years and despite some of the "never going to happen" proclamations in that thread, it was announced last year that the Township had approved the project and it was indeed real. Thing is, there have been other attempts at expensive indoor facilities (Bullseye off the Parkway West comes to mind). Whether or not this one will survive is the question. Not sure what it would take to get me to pay to shoot when I belong to a club so we'll have to see.
Oh - didn't realize it was "coming soon" since 2014. Will continue to hope!
What would you consider "good" rules and standards? Most I've been to while traveling have been pretty straight forward. Guess I haven't been to a whole lot though.
My wife and I have been associated with several indoor ranges as shooters, instructors, running different types of leagues etc. in several different states. I was an instructor for a PD in WA state that had its own indoor range. The two of us travelled around the country and have been to many different indoor ranges during the last 30 years. Here is my take on what "Good" rules and standards:
1. No "You have to use our ammo" - except for rental gun usage, this rule is a NO Go
2. "You can't pick up your brass" - no explanation required, this is just theft. If you want to limit shooters to only picking up their own brass, O.K.
3. Some sort of policy to allow "trained members" to work from the holster. Ranges that I have been to across the country have policies that allow members with proof of training, that have been trained by them, or have been "checked off" by their range staff to work from the holster.
4. No "You have to use our targets"
5. No "No rapid fire allowed" or "only 1 shot per second", this can easily be accomplished by having the rule "No uncontrolled rapid fire allowed" - range staff have ultimate say as to what controlled/uncontrolled is.
6. Hopefully open 7 days a week - not a deal breaker, but it would be nice.
7. Open to at least 2100 hours - it is tuff to make it to the range in the evening after work for some.
8. Some sort of Defensive Pistol training, to include some sort of structured practice/training events on a regular basis.
9. If you are going to allow rifle caliber in the indoor range - have a separate bay for them. Remember, handgun rounds damage carriers, rifle rounds destroy them, so have extra parts on hand so that you are not down lanes.
10. Make sure that your range staff has some training, should be obvious - but you would be surprised.
11. Some sort of safety briefing, check, video etc... before users can shoot at the range.
I am sure that there are more that I could think of, but I have to go :)
I would add that telling paying customers on Facebook to "Fuck off" should be a deal breaker as well, but since we know it's not, I don't think any of the above issues would be deal breakers either.
:p
Hopefully this outfit has a little more sense than the "other place" everyone wanted to join. LOL
Bearpack. You are confusing Keystone Shooting Center with Ellwand Shooting Academy. You are indeed correct when you say THEY have been in the works for years. However, we are an entirely different group and decided to build when all the "talkers" didn't move on a site. We completed all of our engineering and site plan work and received Planning Commission approval on 4/4 of this year and received approval by the Board of Supervisors on May 21st. We are moving dirt. We have been moving very quickly to open by November 15th, weather permitting (pray for no heavy June rains). We are currently in the gun business and own Keystone Armory in Edinboro, PA. I encourage you to verify any of this info by going onto the Marshall TWP website and by driving by 925 Sheraton Drive in Mars, PA. We have been moving VERY QUICKLY to bring a great facility to Pittsburgh.
In short order, the renderings you see are the REAL deal and this is what is being built. If you have any questions feel free to direct them to me and I'm happy to answer them. We are very happy to be opening Pittsburgh's first 5 star indoor shooting range.
Orive,
We are shooters ourselves so we aren't planning to have "silly rules". All our range rules will be to ensure that our members and walk-ins have a safe and enjoyable experience. Although we don't have all the range rules finalized, I can elaborate on some of your comments.
1. You won't have to use OUR ammo, except when you rent which is a legal liability issue. We plan to be VERY competitive on range ammo making unnecessary for you to buy elsewhere. But you can feel free to bring in your own ammo.
2.You can pick up your brass. You just won't be able to pick up any stray brass that goes in front of the firing line. It is your brass anyway. Brass will be pushed into a grating mechanism after each shooter is finished so you won't be able to capture other shooters brass, but your brass is your brass. Seems kind of common sense doesn't it?
We will be open 7 days a week of course and of course open till 9 p.m. (except Sundays). Most shooters actually work for a living so the busiest time is after 5 p.m.
I'm happy to keep you updated as things progress. We are mobilizing and starting to move dirt. November 15th is our scheduled opening date. Also, thanks for your comments. As a shooter we are amazed ourselves at some of the "stupid" things that ranges do. We are excited to bring Pittsburgh its first 5 star range.
See my reply to Bearpack. We have been moving very fast and decided to build when all the "talkers" didn't come through. Hope this helps.
Bearpack. You are confusing Keystone Shooting Center with Ellwand Shooting Academy. You are indeed correct when you say THEY have been in the works for years. However, we are an entirely different group and decided to build when all the "talkers" didn't move on a site. We completed all of our engineering and site plan work and received Planning Commission approval on 4/4 of this year and received approval by the Board of Supervisors on May 21st. We are moving dirt. We have been moving very quickly to open by November 15th, weather permitting (pray for no heavy June rains). We are currently in the gun business and own Keystone Armory in Edinboro, PA. I encourage you to verify any of this info by going onto the Marshall TWP website and by driving by 925 Sheraton Drive in Mars, PA. We have been moving VERY QUICKLY to bring a great facility to Pittsburgh.
In short order, the renderings you see are the REAL deal and this is what is being built. If you have any questions feel free to direct them to me and I'm happy to answer them. We are very happy to be opening Pittsburgh's first 5 star indoor shooting range.
Tyman44,
Thank you for the reply, looking forward to Keystone Shooting Center opening.
I have a handful of friends that are also looking forward to your range opening up.
I also can't wait to check this out. I am sure this is a huge undertaking.
Tyman44 I know it is very early in the process but, what prices have been toss around? Memberships?
Thank You
We will have 2 tiers of membership with various benefits, plus corporate memberships. Without giving an exact number as we haven't finalized, I will say that the range will be affordable for all of us shooters and that both tiers of memberships will have unlimited shooting with the ability to make a reservation in advance (most likely for an hour time slot). You will be able to shoot as many times as you like. We won't be the cheapest as we are building a nice range that is environmentally friendly for shooters and staff, but I think memberships will be in the $35-$40 per month range for the non premium memberships. We have tried to balance price with comfort and having a world class range in Pittsburgh. Hopefully this helps. Thanks for the question.
Also 1 coming to McCandless
https://www.joininpax.com/
Very good, more options for the shooters of da BurgQuote:
These guys appear to be moving pretty fast! Looks like the walls are going up and we will have a place to shoot this winter.
https://www.facebook.com/keystoneshootingcenter/
If it is located at 925 Sheraton Drive, that's just down the road from me. :cool:
Keeping my eye on Keystone Shooting Center. Myself and a handful of friends have hopes that the range rules meet our needs, if so we plan to purchase some memberships.
Like I posted earlier, it will just depend on how its run... been to many different ranges across the country and have found the Pittsburgh area really lacking in ranges for "defensive pistol shooters". Heck, I was just in Columbus Ohio on a couple of trips earlier this year - found 4 great indoor ranges surrounding Columbus.
Columbus Ohio - who would have thought....:)
Also keeping an eye on the INPAX range that is coming.
Orive,
I'm not sure we will do everything perfectly, at least not in the beginning, but I can assure you we will always listen to our customers and are receptive to feedback. We want to provide an entirely unique experience when it comes to shooting. I am accessible so please email me when you come in as I'd be interested in feedback from a discerning customer.
My email is ty@keystoneshootingcenter.com
Ty Eggemeyer
Orive
You can see our range rules on our website. If you have any questions on them I'll be happy to answer them. Most are pretty standard and common sense. As shooters, first and foremost is the safety of all of our members and guests. There are always a lot of questions around using your own ammo which we permit and picking up your brass which we also permit. Also, we get a lot of questions on rapid fire and holster draw which we allow BUT only for people qualified to do so. The range is able to take up to 50 caliber BMG so you can shoot almost anything except armor penetrating, steel core and incendiary. Hope this is helpful. If you have any further questions don't hesitate to contact me at ty@keystoneshootingcenter.com
https://keystoneshootingcenter.com/range/range-rules
Chessie,
Not sure if you have been on the website, but pricing will be released around the 1st of the month. Visit our website at www.keystoneshootingcenter.com or you can call us at 412-357-8000 and I'll be personally answer any of your questions. Thank you for your interest.
Ty Eggemeyer
President
Keystone Shooting Center
Looking forward to checking it when it's open. Looks to be about a 40 minute drive from here.
OK, you can't throw out something like that without clarification, because the first thing that comes to mind is that only law enforcement is permitted to draw from a holster.
Can you expand upon that?
http://i.imgur.com/5FVb4M3.gif
Tyman44
I read through the rules, looks o.k. to me. No problem with them. As to the question a poster asked above regarding "qualified" your rules state:
• Shooters who desire to shoot from the holster must be holster qualified through Keystone Shooting Center instructors.
No problem with that - I have shot at ranges that allow this, some have you go into the range with one of their Range Officers and they check you off (a skill check), others have you take a "drawing from the holster" class - usually 1/2 hour or 1 hour session where they go over the drawstroke etc..., others will allow holster work if you come in and show a Certificate of Training from recognized instructor/school etc...
There are many ways to accomplish this SAFELY if the range wants to do it. I am glad that your range is going to go this route, whichever way they decide to insure that the shooter is "qualified". Looking forward to your range opening up. Myself, my wife, and several other shooting friends are planning to be at your opening and purchasing memberships.
Otto Orive
We will use a combination of either a skill check or a class demonstrating proficiency. Other ranges that we are familiar with have successfully employed this technique so we really don't see a problem here. We don't foresee a lot of people wanting to do this but there are many proficient shooters that will be able to qualify. Hope this helps.
Thank you for your comments Orive. Look forward to meeting you.
Memberships are available on their website now.
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Opening late November 2017, our brand new 21,300 sq. ft. state-of-the-art indoor shooting range will feature ...
- Climate-controlled, clean air HEPA filtration shooting lanes
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We may do that in the future. However the favorable demographics of the northern part of Pittsburgh swayed the decision to build there first. As you know putting in an indoor range is very expensive and the market area has to be right in order for us to do so. I'm not sure the demographics of the Erie area support what we are building in Pittsburgh. We will probably build 3 ranges in Pittsburgh before moving on to additional areas. At some point, we may decide to build there as well. Hope this answers your question. Thanks for your support of The Keystone Armory
tyman- best wishes and success for your new range facility. My daughter moved to Pittsburgh for grad school, and we'll be looking fwd to visiting when we are in town.
Mark,
Just ask for Ty or Chris the manager and we will be happy to show you around. Thanks for the support.
Any updates? I saw they were aiming for Nov 27 but looks like that didn’t happen.
I saw a female's intro to handgun class there advertised on FB.
We got our temporary occupancy on the 5th and expect full occupancy tomorrow. A slight delay on a few construction items. We are in the store merchandising right now and expect to be open on Sunday!. Thanks for asking and we hope to see you on the range.
Ty Eggemeyer
Keystone Shooting Center
Rented a full auto SCAR at Keystone Shooting Center.
Waaaaaaaaaaay too much fun.
https://vimeo.com/248397469
Is range time included in the rental fee?