Im with the above "300Blk over 10.5 is a waste" crowd.
But IF you must go with a 16" stick, get one with pistol length gas.
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Im with the above "300Blk over 10.5 is a waste" crowd.
But IF you must go with a 16" stick, get one with pistol length gas.
Reread the OPs first post :) He happened to mention a Colt 6920 utilizing a 16+ upper.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhr
I think you are missing my point, and are just looking for any mistake to point out.... Let me take a more direct approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xringshooter
In 300 blackout, a bolt action rifle with a 16" barrel makes sense, as you mentioned. This is because you can't go any shorter, without making an SBR. Making your example of the Ruger Ranch with a 16" barrel essentially an apples to oranges comparison. It is borderline irrelevant. This is because there are not pistol bolt action firearms, so one can not easily put a <16" barrel on a bolt action.
The idea of putting a 16" barrel, in 300 blackout, especially when the OP already has a pistol lower, is fairly strange, in my opinion. I honestly can't think of a reason on why someone would elect to use a 16" barrel in 300 BO, when they already have a pistol lower, other than you reason of your Ruger Ranch holding 1.5 MOA with a 3-9 power scop (which quite honestly I'm failing to see the relevance).
In the OP's first post he mentioned putting it on a pistol OR a rifle (and as such would require a 16" barrel) and you did not qualify your response when you out of hand said no to a 16" barrel. I agree that for a PISTOL a 10.5" barrel in 300 BO is the max I would go, but if he is thinking about a RIFLE, then a 16" 300 BO barrel on a 6920 lower should make a good shooting rifle, thus the qualifying accuracy I listed with the equipment I posted. There is no reason that an AR in 300 BO couldn't do that.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I can see a lot of reasons for a person electing to use a 16" barreled 300 BO.
Oh, and BTW, there are actually bolt action handguns that are not custom builds, just not one in 300 BO (that I know of)
i thought the whole selling point of 300 was how well it suppressed in shorter barrels?
That was true at first but then people discovered that with the right platform and twist rate, it could be a very good hunting caliber, especially when it was suppressed. Just like a lot of calibers, they start out to fill a certain niche, then people start experimenting and "Eureka", they find a completely new use for that caliber. That's why firearms manufactures are now making bolt and MSR rifles in the 300 BO, they see a need/use for it (and would they make it if they didn't think they could sell it and make a profit?). Personally, where I hunt in PA, a suppressed 300 BO is great for whitetails and it will save some of the hearing I have left (and when the PGC gets its head of of its ass and allows MSR's for big game, that would be a plus for a lot of people). A 300 BO in a 16" suppressed barrel is extremely quiet. Even if you go with a lighter bullet and go supersonic, you hear the crack but the muzzle blast is still quite easy on the ears and if you wear plugs or muffs, the shooter will hear almost nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by brian
I have no problem validating me points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xringshooter
Reasons to go with a shorter barrel:
1) the 300 blackout cartridge was designed around a short barrel.
2)lighter and more manueverable
3)it flat out looks cool
4)putting a silencer on the end of it, and it's still a manageable over all length
5)thy are just as accurate as their 16" barrels (it's a proven fact that longer barrel lengths do not equate more accuracy. They increase muzzle velocity, which more times than not means more accuracy. But back to my first post, why would you want to increase the velocity of a subsonic bullet? So that way it goes supersonic, this negating the whole reason on shooting subsonic?
6)even if one wanted to argue #5, there are a numerous barrel manufactorers who give the "one moa promise". I know if I do my part, my $100 ballistics advantage 10" barrel does sub moa accuracy, with Remington 220 be, using an aimpoint h1, with no magnification. If someone is looking to get better than 1 moa accuracy, I don't think an AR in 300 blackout is the most optimal platform
I can only think of two reasons NOT to go short.
1) you don't have a pistol lower, and don't want to bother getting another lower (not in the OPs situation, because he/she already has a pistol lower)
2)you were doing some competitive shoot and you could only use iron sights, and you wanted to take advantage of the increased distance between your front and rear iron sights that a longer barrel offers.
Could you please inform me of any other reasonable reasons on why one would get a 16" barrel on an AR when they already have a pistol lower, in 300 blackout?
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Originally Posted by danhr
Ok, you win, you can tell all your friends that you bested the old guy and have all the answers to anything that deals with the 300 Black Out. I'll now refer any questions my customers have about this round to you as you have clearly shown your superior intellect on this subject. Thank you for the conversation.
TO THE OP, I am sorry to have derailed your thread, please accept my apology and I will retire from this thread so it can get back on course.
2. 3 gun. Hunting. As a home defense weapon. Some people don't just stick to shooting benches. I realize that's odd, but okQuote:
Originally Posted by Xringshooter
3. apparently the humor in that reason kind of just went over your head
4. a. I thought that was a well known fact, but I simply just googled "does a longer barrel improve accuracy" and this was the first link to pop up. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-and-accuracy/ You can dig through that data or any of the million other tests.
b. does a longer barrel mean that it will go super sonic? no. I don't think I ever said that. will it cause it to be more likely? yes. you are kind of over exaggerating what I said there. longer barrels increase bullet velocity. that's a fact. how much a, for instance 16 barrel will increase it over a 9" barrel is not engraved in a rock somewhere. It varies. I can already tell you that every now and then I get a factory subsonic 220 grain out of my 10" barrel, goes supersonic. For the sake of putting a number to it, let's say 1 out of every 100 rounds goes super. Statistically speaking, that number would increase with a 16 barrel. That doesn't mean that 100 out of every 100 will go super. but I would not be surprised if it increased. Unless you found an ammo manufacturer who is a zero tolerance on their q&a. Hell, I got a box of sig subsonics, and all 20 of them went super.
6. well not with my handgun, with my rifle. yes. it isn't every time, but the last time I zero'ed 300 blackout upper, it held a sub-moa group, and when I'm on a bench, it usually does. I am not a professional. Hell, I do not think I'm even that good of a shot.
I apologize that you feel offended by me trying to engage you in a conversation. I don't know why you are getting bent out of shape. You have an opinion. I have a different one. I'm simply asking you what your reasons are behind yours, maybe I can learn something new.... maybe I can show you something new. Sorry for thinking that you would want to have a discussion, on a discussion forum.
and I don't think we derailed the thread at all.... we are still discussing the topic the OP asked about. well at least trying to.
What it comes down to me is this.
1. I want something new.
2. I want to be able to distinguish between my 8.5" 5.56/.223 pistol upper. So I don't grab the wrong one by accident and then am SOL at the range.
3. I will never be suppressing anything. Just isn't in the cards for me. So unless 2" of barrel is going to make or break accuracy, etc... I'll got with 10.5" then.
4. I was asking about a 16" again for something different. If there is no point in it then there is no point in it.