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READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
NOTE: Links to some laws have broken recently, we are working on them.
NOTE: THIS LISTING MAY BE PARTIAL, POSSIBLY MISSING LOCATIONS THAT ARE OFF-LIMITS BY LAW OR REGULATION. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, FOR THAT CONTACT AN ATTORNEY. THIS WEBSITE AND ITS MEMBERS ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR MISSING OR FAILING TO LIST AN OFF-LIMITS PLACE. WE DO THIS AS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO ASSIST THOSE WHO WISH TO LAWFULLY CARRY. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY PLACES OFF-LIMITS BY LAW OR REGULATION THAT WE FAILED TO LIST, PLEASE POST THEM IN THIS THREAD WITH A COPY OF THE LEGAL TEXT.
It is often asked where is it legal or illegal to carry in PA. Below is a guide to where and how you can lawfully carry.
The purpose of a PA LTCF issued under 6109 is to provide an exemption to the prohibition of carrying concealed on or abouts one's person, or in a vehicle, under 6106. It also allows you to carry any type of firearm(long guns and handguns) during a state of emergency. The license also provides for the privilege of carrying openly or concealed on the streets in a City of the First Class(Philly).
Off-limits places in PA and what makes them off-limits:
1. Court Facilities - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 913
2a.*Grounds and buildings of Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), whether the school is private or public - UNLESS YOU ARE CARRYING FOR A LAWFUL PURPOSE AND YOUR POSSESSION IS OTHERWISE LEGAL(IE: carry license, not a prohibited person, no criminal intent, and a reason like protection, etc, etc).**.
2b. Within 1000ft of a school unless you have a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located - US Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, Subsection 922(q)
3. Certain Department of State buildings - by regulation
4. ****Places off-limits by Federal Law or regulation, IE: military installations(exceptions for hunting at some bases), Federal Government buildings, after the security check point in airports,etc.
5. Any private property where a landowner, tenant or person so authorized to maintain property has asked you to leave because you are carrying, or where the property owner or tenant has placed signs or placards denoting that guns are forbidden - Title 18, Chapter 35, Subsection 3503
6. Detention facilities, correctional institutes, or mental hospitals - Title 18, Chapter 51, Subsection 5122
If you do not see the place in question in the list above - then its NOT off-limits in Pennsylvania. Yes, you may legally carry in a bar, tavern, club, or church in PA.
Concealed Carry is legal in State Parks if you have a LTCF. 18 6109 (m.3) should nullify the Open Carry regulation, however that has yet to be determined.
Off-limits places apply just the same for open as they do concealed.
*Colleges are not prohibited by law, however the college could levy their own infractions like expelling the person or other civil punishments.
** Per en banc PA Superior Court Goslin decision
****The Federal Parks and Reserves are legal again. New law went into effect 02/22/10. Federal buildings in Fed. Parks and Reserves are still off-limits. While in a Federal Park, you follow the laws of the state in which it is located.
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Vehicles:
Openly or concealed does NOT matter to vehicles, nor does its loaded or unloaded status, only the fact that there is a "firearm"(handgun, SBS, SBR) in, on, or upon a vehicle. Any device that is used to transport people is a vehicle. Yes, that includes horses, bicycles, motorcycles, boats, trains, airplanes, cars, trucks, trolleys, etc, etc. YOU NEED A LICENSE TO TRANSPORT A HANDGUN IN, ON, OR UPON A VEHICLE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO/FROM ONE OF THE EXEMPTED LOCATIONS IN 18.61.6106.(B). ************* Without a license you cannot transport an unloaded "firearm" in a vehicle just for the mere practice of open carry.
Before you ask, long guns cannot be carried or transported loaded in a vehicle - whether you are licensed or not. Unloaded long guns may be transported throughout the state without a license, except in a City of the First Class(Philly) or during a declared state of emergency - which those two situations require a LTCF. Loaded magazines must be in a separate container, loose or boxed ammo can be anywhere near the gun.
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Private Properties, land owner and tenant rights prevail above all:
1. If the land/facility isn't owned by a municipality, township, county, state or fed government - then it is private property. In fact, even many properties maintained by a municipality of any level in PA is still private property - but the municipality has a lease or right-of-way. Most parcels are surveyed from the center of the road in front of your land or another common marker as a starting point.
2. Malls, stores, movie theaters, restaurants, bars, etc are private property - they may ask you to leave if you are carrying a firearm, or the may ask you to leave if you aren't carrying a gun, they may ask you to leave because you weren't wearing a pink tutu with a tactical thigh holster, they may ask you to leave for ANY reason and you must comply.
3. Just because persons may come and go in a place as they please, doesn't make it "public" property. What makes property "public" or "private" is whether the land/real-estate is owned by an individual/company/corporation(private) or by the people as a whole(public).
4. Unless you have an Allodial Title, you do not own your land - you lease it from the government by means of property taxes and hold rights by a deed, which is "color of title", not true title and patent of lands and real properties. The oldest 14 or 15 States are patent holders for their lands within. The federal government is patent holder for the remainings states and territories, except for properties sold out of Federal management(BLM of Dept Interior) and for titles & patents to some properties that were in place issued by another country prior to the land becoming a state.
5. To sum things up, your land is actually public property that is leased by means of taxes in the Fee Simple/Feudal Title system allowing you to claim it as private(Color of Title). The government then requires right-of-ways from you for roads or other easements. Landowners and tenants may deny carrying on their properties, which you should respect if you care for others to respect your property rights.
Drawing to help you understand property lines and Right-of-Way's.
http://forum.pafoa.org/attachment.ph...7&d=1229536698
No Guns types signs on private property: delinquentes caveo
These type of signs lack a direct violation to places being off-limits. However they do set a conditional permission to be on the property. Violation of that condition is trespassing instantly. Such signs serve as first notice to a summary trespassing violation and you can be cited without a verbal warning. Now we all like to carry where ever we can, but we also want our property rights to be held in sanctity, to have our own land and building sanctity we must honor other's property rights as well. If found to be carrying you can be cited on the spot for a summary offense. Which to follow that you will most likely be asked to leave, if you fail to do so you will be arrested on a misdemeanor offense.
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Open carry:
If you can own a firearm, you may lawfully openly carry it on foot without a license. The exception to this is in a City of the First Class (1 million residents), you are required to have a license to carry whether it is open or concealed. Philly is the ONLY First Class city in PA, the next largest city, Pittsburgh, is about 550,000 residents away from being one.
You also need a LTCF to open carry in a vehicle, and to carry any gun during a declared state of emergency.
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Carrying or transporting of guns other than "firearms" - long guns :
A "Firearm" is defined as a Pistol or Revolver with a barrel less than 15", a rifle with a barrel less than 16", a shotgun with a barrel less than 18", or a rifle or shotgun with an overall length less than 26". For guns that have dimensions that exceed those measurements no license or permit is needed to carry them openly, concealed, or in a vehicle - EXCEPT, you must have a LTCF to carry (openly or concealed) on the streets of a City of the First Class(Philly), or during a declared emergency. Note that at NO time can a person have a loaded long gun in, on, or upon a vehicle - except disabled hunters as exempted under Title 34 Game Laws. It doesn't matter if you have a LTCF or not. Only "firearms" are allowed to be loaded in, on, or upon a vehicle(except disabled hunters).
See definition of "loaded".
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"Loaded." A firearm is loaded if the firing chamber, the nondetachable magazine or in the case of a revolver, any of the chambers of the cylinder contain ammunition capable of being fired. In the case of a firearm which utilizes a detachable magazine, the term shall mean a magazine suitable for use in said firearm which magazine contains such ammunition and has been inserted in the firearm or is in the same container or, where the container has multiple compartments, the same compartment thereof as the firearm.
For "antique guns", the same requirements apply for carrying and transporting as if they were modern guns. You would need a LTCF to conceal or transport a "antique gun" that fits the measurements of a "firearm". Also, no loaded "antique" long guns in a vehicle.
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Ages to purchase or own a firearm:
Handguns, Pistols, Revolvers:
1. 21 to buy one from a FFL
2a. 18 if given or purchasing one from a spouse, parent or grandparent. No paperwork necessary
2b. 18 if given or purchasing from any other person who lawfully owns the handgun, BUT it must be transfered through a SHERIFF. FFL's can only use the instant background check for firearms that they have listed in their bound books - and for you to receive it from the FFL you must be 21. Since Sheriffs aren't required to do such - they may use the instant check required by PA law to do the transfer.**
Rifles and Shotguns:
1. 18 to buy from a FFL.
**See ATF Open Letter Below:
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/20...ania-pics.html
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REVISION COMING SOON TO REFLECT THE NEW LAW ON USE OF FORCE
Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground in PA:
Castle Doctrine - one's home(and place of work in PA): PA does have probably 90% of full blown Castle Doctrine as coded statute, and practices it in common law. You have no duty to retreat from your home or place of work, unless you were the initial aggressor and/or the other person has a lawful right to be there as well. The only thing that PA lacks with true "Castle Doctrine" is the assumption that the person unlawfully entering your home is doing so to do harm. You must believe that you are at immediate risk of serious bodily injury, death, rape or kidnapping before using deadly force. However, there is a provision under the Protection of Property section of law to stop unlawful entries if a felony is committed within a dwelling. And also a PA Supreme Court ruling stating deadly force may be used if all attempts to effect an arrest for a forcible type felony fail(Commonwealth v. Chermansky 1968, reaffirmed in Kopko v. Miller 2005).
As of August 29, 2011 an unlawful entry into your home or occupied vehicle now bears presumption that the intruder is there to cause harm.
Stand Your Ground - anywhere else in PA: PA lacks this type of provision allowing you to meet force with force anywhere. However, PA does grant one's place of work as a extension to the Castle Doctrine. Any place else you must retreat if you can do so "in complete safety" before using force. If you cannot retreat with complete safety, or are faced with immediate deadly force, risk of serious bodily injury, rape, or kidnapping - you may use deadly force to protect yourself.
As of August 29, 2011 you no longer have a duty to retreat from any place you are lawfully present. You may meet force with force if you believe you are facing death, serious bodily injury, rape, or kidnapping so long as you aren't in the commission of a crime.
Protection of Others: You may use force to protect another if they are in the same situation as you would be required to be in before using deadly force as described in the Stand Your Ground section above. Sort of a "in their shoes" type provision.
Civil Liabilities: This is usually added on with "Stand Your Ground" provisions. PA lacks such protections in our laws and you may face civil lawsuits even if the use of force is justified.
As of August 29, 2011 civil action may still be brought against you. However a justified use of deadly force is a defense in a lawsuit and all costs are recoverable upon a win.
Dog Attacks: It is legal to kill a dog that is pursuing or attacking a pet, a domesticated animal, or human. - Title 3, Chapter 8, Article V, Subsection 459-501. It is also legal to kill any dog that is chasing or attacking big game(turkey, bear, elk, deer) - Title 34, Chapter 23, Subchapter E, Section 2385
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Re: Someone sticky this as a FAQ please
add updates or corrections in this thread, and FAQ will be updated as necessary.
be SURE of your info before posting, do NOT use this thread as a "ask about more places I can carry."
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4. Casinos - by regulation
I'm ignorant of this one. Can you cite this please.
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JayBell
Ah, thank you. I could not find it because it is not in the statute (law).
As I suspected it is a private property issue not a "gun law"
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4 and 5?
This should be a thread on laws, not regulations. That should be listed with the "private property owners" as those are just regulations and not laws.
ETA:
Cars in the state park is ok.
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I was thinking along those lines too, Delta.
I DO like that the private property issue is addressed. I was thinking of putting some info like that in the flyer but there was not enough room. It should be common knowledge, since it is not gun specific, but I've seen a lot of Q's regarding private property.
How about this.
Post the restrictions per statute.
Then, below the private property explaination post a list of known private properties restricting firearms.
Casino regulations,
Red Lobster Corp. policy,
etc
etc
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I put the private property info in because of the confusion between private and public lands, also because of questioning about signs and trespass issues.
Most of us here know the laws, however there are plenty of new-comers that don't.
Property laws in regards to off-limits, sign warnings and verbal warnings are closely related to the subject matter of this site.
Amendments and corrections to my original post are encouraged. Having a quick FAQ for new-comers to read before posting may save us from having to respond with the same answer time after time.
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knight0334
Property laws in regards to off-limits, sign warnings and verbal warnings are closely related to the subject matter of this site.
Yes, of course. And I agree.
My suggestion is that the statutory restrictions and PP issues be separated in how they are listed, not intertwined.
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actually, just set it up like it is, noting whats LAW, whats REGULATION and whats Property Rights should be sufficient.
we dont need a list of known corporations that restrict carry, really, just the knowledge that they CAN restrict carry.
it's the carriers job to determine which private businesses do this, IMO.
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I was just researching this topic yesterday. Here is a link I found to some of the PA statutes: http://members.aol.com/StatutesP7/18PA913.html
Just because you can carry (i.e. open or inside a county building) doesn't, IMO make it wise to do so.
The frequent questions I see posted about "may I carry concealed here or there" seem to be ignoring the fact that you're carrying concealed. I have (each time) inadvertently carried my weapon into buildings or other areas that are restricted or posted. I attribute this to being used to always wearing a gun and, of course, the comfort of the holster I use.
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I believe Army corps property is off limits,tis means dams and the area around them be carefull fishing in these places homeland security is in place. Mtn Jack
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Many of those places are maintained by the DCNR, which has the no-gun regulation. Kyle Lake in Eastern Jefferson Co is like that. Army Corp helped develop the lake, damn and breast work, but now the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources in conjunction with the Fish and Boat Commission take responsibility of the reserve.
Other areas that are still maintained by the Army Corp fall under the Federal laws and regulations. Some of these areas are not posted or anti-gun, but you have to find out for each individual location. Many of the Corp reserves have land set aside for target and hunting.
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I note that it is not legal to carry a firearm anywhere at the Pittsburgh International Airport. Most airports have such regulations. In this case, it is by county ordinance.
I realize this raises some questions about how to get one's firearm from the car to the baggage check point. Obviously, if the weapon is in a case in one's luggage, it is not a problem. I base this opinion upon the fact it happens every day, with full knowledge of police, TSA and airline officials, and it is not an issue. I have not, however, seen any statutory exception for transport in a suitcase.
Carrying on one's person, however, is illegal.
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3. State Parks and other reserves maintained by the PA DNR - by regulation
Whats PA DNR?
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Mity2
Whats PA DNR?
Pennsylvania Department of Natural Resources
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PeteG
I note that it is not legal to carry a firearm anywhere at the Pittsburgh International Airport. Most airports have such regulations. In this case, it is by county ordinance.
I realize this raises some questions about how to get one's firearm from the car to the baggage check point. Obviously, if the weapon is in a case in one's luggage, it is not a problem. I base this opinion upon the fact it happens every day, with full knowledge of police, TSA and airline officials, and it is not an issue. I have not, however, seen any statutory exception for transport in a suitcase.
Carrying on one's person, however, is illegal.
Their ordinance is an illegal one. It means nothing. PA has a law on the books that states no city, town, borough or municipality can make their own laws. There is a thread on GT about a township somewhere in PA that passed a similar ordinance.
Many people complained about the ordinance and after speaking with their legal rep, they were informed the ordinance could not be enforced, so it was dropped.
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Ok didn't see it any where but I carry always every where but am I illegal when I go into the bank? Always wondered about that one as I always have
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craigc
Ok didn't see it any where but I carry always every where but am I illegal when I go into the bank? Always wondered about that one as I always have
Banks are private property.
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There is no law against carrying in a bank. However, the bank being private property can ask you to leave if they find out you are carrying.
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Steve in PA
There is no law against carrying in a bank. However, the bank being private property can ask you to leave if they find out you are carrying.
I was asked to leave from my local bank once. They were polite, and asked me nicely, telling me that bank policy states no weapon in building.
I had no trouble. I thanked them for the politeness, and told the manager I'll leave my gun in the car from now on.
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Mity2
I was asked to leave from my local bank once. They were polite, and asked me nicely, telling me that bank policy states no weapon in building.
I had no trouble. I thanked them for the politeness, and told the manager I'll leave my gun in the car from now on.
You should tell them that you'll be leaving your money in another bank.
My bank, Farmers National of Emlenton-Dubois branch, never ever has given me grief about carrying in there. All the tellers know that I carry, done so openly many, many times. Quite friendly people, some of which I call friends.
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Updated - Added ages to purchase firearms.
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Hey guys, I'm from Ohio who just recently got my non-resident PA license from Erie County. I had a question to clarify something; in order for you to break the law regarding private property, do you just merely have to walk by a no guns posted sign, or do you have to be asked to leave too before it's a crime? In addition, what part of state agencies is considered off limits? I assume any local or county buildings is ok then, including police departments even? I only ask because you never know where you may end up needing to go when travelling.
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Generally speaking, you must be asked to leave, as "no guns" signs hold no water in PA. As for government buildings, the only one I've been to that was iffy was the Lehigh County courthouse, and that's because they had everyone walk through metal detectors at the entrance.
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Not counting "federal" buildings, the only "state" buildings that are essentially off-limits are courthouses and schools. The capitol complex in Harrisburg uses an unlawful ordinance to keep those buildings defenseless-victim zones, but that's it. Rest stops along the interstate are okay here in Pennsylvania.
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General Geoff
Generally speaking, you must be asked to leave, as "no guns" signs hold no water in PA. As for government buildings, the only one I've been to that was iffy was the Lehigh County courthouse, and that's because they had everyone walk through metal detectors at the entrance.
Also note that although the UFA indicates that courthouses are off limits, they are also required to provide lockers for storage. This way, one can carry TO the courthouse and declare the firearm there.
See here:
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§913. Possession of Firearm or Other Dangerous Weapon in Court Facility.
(a) Offense defined.—A person commits an offense if he:
(1) knowingly possesses a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a court facility or knowingly causes a firearm or other dangerous weapon to be present in a court facility; or
(2) knowingly possesses a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a court facility with the intent that the firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime or knowingly causes a firearm or other dangerous weapon to be present in a court facility with the intent that the firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime.
and also here (emphasis added):
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d) Posting of notice.—Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each courthouse or other building containing a court facility and each court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a)(1) with respect to a court facility if the notice was not so posted at each public entrance to the courthouse or other building containing a court facility anti at the court facility unless the person had actual notice of the provisions of subsection (a).
(e) Facilities for checking firearms or other dangerous weapons.—Each county shall make available at or within the building containing a court facility by July 1, 2002, lockers or similar facilities at no charge or cost for the temporary checking of firearms by persons carrying firearms under section 6106(b) or 6109 or for the checking of other dangerous weapons that are not otherwise prohibited by law. Any individual checking a firearm, dangerous weapon or an item deemed to be a dangerous weapon at a court facility must be issued a receipt. Notice of the location of the facility shall be posted as required under subsection (d). (Chgd. by L.1999, Act 59, eff 2/15/00.)
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Here is the regulation pertaining to the other Department of State buildings
STATEMENTS OF POLICY
Title 49--PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
DEPARTMENT OF STATE
[49 PA. CODE CH. 61]
Policies and Procedures Relating to Use of Buildings Outside of the Capitol Complex
[28 Pa.B. 382]
The Department of State (Department) adopts the following statement of policy announcing policies and procedures relating to the maintenance of order and security within the offices and public areas of the bureaus of the Department located outside of the Capitol Complex.
Department offices are located within the Capitol Complex in the North Office Building and in leased facilities in Harrisburg. The offices of the Department including, but not limited to, the Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, the State Athletic Commission, the Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation and the Bureau of Charitable Organizations, are in leased premises at 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg. With regard to Department offices located in the Capitol Complex, the recent policy statement of the Department of General Services published at 26 Pa.B. 4906 (October 12, 1996) applies (Codified at 4 Pa. Code Chapter 86). The purpose of this statement of policy is to implement a policy and procedure, consistent with the Department's lease of those premises in a manner to best perform the statutory duties of the Department and its bureaus, administrative boards and commissions.
This statement of policy is not intended to circumscribe any administrative discretion given to the Department under any law or rule or regulation.
This statement of policy is effective upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
YVETTE KANE,
Secretary of the Commonwealth
Fiscal Note: 16-12. No fiscal impact; (8) recommends adoption.
Annex A
TITLE 49. PROFESSIONAL AND VOCATIONAL STANDARDS
PART I. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Subpart C. SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH
CHAPTER 61. USE OF PUBLIC AREAS OUTSIDE THE CAPITOL COMPLEX--STATEMENT OF POLICY
Sec.
61.1.
Additional jurisdiction over properties.
61.2.
Office hours.
61.3.
Firearms and weapons.
§ 61.1. Additional jurisdiction over properties.
The public areas of 116 and 124 Pine Street, Harrisburg, under the jurisdiction of the Department of State and subject to this chapter, include the interior offices of the Department of State, Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs, Bureau of Charitable Organizations, Bureau of Enforcement and Investigation, State Athletic Commission and leased offices and facilities related thereto.
§ 61.2. Office hours.
Offices are open to the public for licensing and related business from the hours of 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., excluding Saturdays, Sundays and State holidays. Hours in which the offices will be open to the public will be posted. The facilities may be closed during any of these periods upon a determination that an emergency or threat endangering the public health, safety and welfare exists.
§ 61.3. Firearms and weapons.
The possession of firearms or other prohibited offensive weapons as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 908(c) (relating to prohibited offense weapons), while on the leased premises of the Department with the exception of State or Federal officers, in connection with the performance of an official duty, is prohibited. This prohibition does not apply to attorneys listed as counsel of record in connection with the offering of an exhibit in any administrative proceeding, if the counsel of record who intends to offer the item as an exhibit, has obtained written authorization from a hearing examiner to do so."
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**See ATF Open Letter Below:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/122905pe...openletter.pdf
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This link isnt working for me and I would really like to read the letter. Im not sure if its the link or its me, can someone post the contents of the letter or PM me a working link, I would really appreciate it.
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Steve in PA
Their ordinance is an illegal one. It means nothing. PA has a law on the books that states no city, town, borough or municipality can make their own laws. There is a thread on GT about a township somewhere in PA that passed a similar ordinance.
Many people complained about the ordinance and after speaking with their legal rep, they were informed the ordinance could not be enforced, so it was dropped.
Airports, even though they belong to the city or town they are in, are Federal property. Federal law supersedes Local or State law, so you can be forbidden to carry in an airport
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ExCopInPhilly
Airports, even though they belong to the city or town they are in, are Federal property. Federal law supersedes Local or State law, so you can be forbidden to carry in an airport
The whole airport, or just the secured areas?
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dgg9
The whole airport, or just the secured areas?
If I remember correctly it is the whole airport, not just the secure part, but the best place to check is with the ATF, www.atf.gov . I act on better safe than sorry, and do I really need to carry when I am somewhere anyway.
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ExCopInPhilly
If I remember correctly it is the whole airport, not just the secure part, but the best place to check is with the ATF,
www.atf.gov . I act on better safe than sorry, and do I really need to carry when I am somewhere anyway.
I went through the ATF site, the TSA site, and the NRA-ILA compendium of federal law, and while I'm not convinced that the entire airport is off limits as a rule -- I also act on "better safe than sorry...."
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ExCopInPhilly
Airports, even though they belong to the city or town they are in, are Federal property. Federal law supersedes Local or State law, so you can be forbidden to carry in an airport
Can you provide any facts to substantiate this claim?
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JLStorm
This link isnt working for me and I would really like to read the letter. Im not sure if its the link or its me, can someone post the contents of the letter or PM me a working link, I would really appreciate it.
Sorry... fixed linkage on the original post in this thread. PM'n you linkage too.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/122905pe...openletter.pdf
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Only after the security check point is CCW illegal.
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There is no Federal Law that says you can't carry in the unsecured areas of the airport.
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Allegheny County, which created the airport authority, has the following code:
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§ 705-39. Weapons and firearms. A. No person, except law enforcement officers, post office and custom officials, or members of the Armed Forces of the United States on active duty, shall carry any weapon, firearm, explosive or inflammable material on the airport premises except by specific direction of the Director, the Superintendent of Police or their designees.
B. No person shall transport any weapon or firearm except when it is properly enclosed for shipment and is not in the person's manual possession.
C. No person shall discharge any weapon or firearm at the airport except in the performance of official duties requiring the discharge thereof.
§ 705-86. Violations and penalties. A. Any person who violates any of the regulations of this article shall be subjected to one or both of the following penalties: upon conviction of the summary proceeding, violators shall: (1) Undergo imprisonment in the County jail for not more than 30 days; and/or
(2) Be sentenced to pay a fine, to be paid to the use of the County with costs of prosecutions, not less than $25 nor to exceed $100 for each conviction thereof.
B. The Board of County Commissioners may also prescribe fines and penalties, not to exceed $500 for the violation of County ordinances, which fines and penalties may be collected by suit brought in the name of the County in like manner as debts of like amount may be used for.
C. Each of the sections contained in this article shall constitute a separate offense subject to the penalties outlined in Subsections A and B of this section.
The entire discussion was covered in greater detail at OpenCarry.org here: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum46/160.html
Is the county ordinance pre-empted? Of course it is. Will they correct their error? Well, they haven't yet.
All PAFOA members should write to the county commissioners, the airport authority, and the Allegheny County Police Department.
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Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
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Except in a City of the First Class(1 million residents), you are required to have a license. Philly is the ONLY First Class city in PA, the next largest city, Pittsburgh, is about 550,000 residents away from being one.
The way Pittsburgh is declining and losing population I doubt they'll ever get to 1 Million.
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Re: READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania
My big worry is carrying on 'school and school property'...
Occasionally I have to pick-up my child from school and I'm CC'ing. Of course I'll leave the weapon in my vehicle but it's still on school property... :(