HB 1292 - Changes to Licensing (LTCF)

If I read this correctly, this requires the Sheriff to provide a 30 day notice re: revocation of LTCF under the "good repute" clause and the license holder has a right to an automatic court hearing, (but license holder must respond to the notice to revoke).

I deem this one worthy of our support.

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PRINTER'S NO. 2029
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA
HOUSE BILL No. 1292 Session of 2009

INTRODUCED BY CUTLER, METZGAR, BENNINGHOFF, BAKER, BARRAR, BOYD,
DENLINGER, EVERETT, GIBBONS, GODSHALL, GOODMAN, HESS,
KAUFFMAN, MENSCH, METCALFE, MILLER, MURT, PALLONE, PHILLIPS,
PYLE, REICHLEY, ROCK, STEVENSON, SWANGER AND TALLMAN,
JUNE 8, 2009
REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, JUNE 8, 2009
AN ACT

1 Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania
2 Consolidated Statutes, further providing for licenses.
3 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
4 hereby enacts as follows:
5 Section 1. Section 6109(i) of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania
6 Consolidated Statutes is amended to read:
7 § 6109. Licenses.
8 * * *
9 (i) Revocation.--[A license to carry firearms may be revoked
10 by the issuing authority for good cause. A]
11 (1) Except as provided under paragraph (2), a license to
12 carry firearms shall be revoked by the issuing authority for
13 any reason stated in subsection (e)(1) which occurs during
14 the term of the permit. Notice of revocation shall be in
15 writing and shall state the specific reason for revocation.
16 Notice shall be sent by certified mail to the individual
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1 whose license is revoked, and, at that time, notice shall
2 also be provided to the Pennsylvania State Police by
3 electronic means, including e-mail or facsimile transmission,
4 that the license is no longer valid. An individual whose
5 license is revoked shall surrender the license to the issuing
6 authority within five days of receipt of the notice. An
7 individual whose license is revoked may appeal to the court
8 of common pleas for the judicial district in which the
9 individual resides. An individual who violates this section
10 commits a summary offense.
11 (2) If a revocation of a license to carry firearms is
12 based on subsection (e)(1)(i) or for good cause not otherwise
13 specifically enumerated under subsection (e)(1), the issuing
14 authority shall provide the licensee notice via certified
15 mail of intent to revoke the license. The licensee shall have
16 a right to an evidentiary hearing before the court of common
17 pleas for the judicial district in which the individual
18 resides prior to the revocation. If the licensee fails to
19 respond to a notice of intention to revoke within 30 days,
20 the issuing authority may revoke the license and the
21 individual shall be deemed to have waived the right to appeal
22 the revocation.
23 * * *
24 Section 2. This act shall take effect in 90 days.
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IMO, this is absolutely a BIG step i the right direction.

The sheriff will now have to consider that his actions will automatically be subject to COURT REVIEW if the revokee so chooses. And since it is automatic upon request and free, you can bet your ass that the decision will be challenged by many, particularly if it is a bogus revocation.

This is LONG overdue.

Get on the phone with your reps TODAY.

E-mail sent urging full support.
Thanks for the heads up!

VERY big step in the right direction. If we get this passed, the big thing to keep in mind is keep your address current with the issuing authority....

Hmmm, noticed that on the first line 14 the license is referred to as a permit.

Email sent to my rep asking for support of this bill ;)

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Originally Posted by HiredGoon

Hmmm, noticed that on the first line 14 the license is referred to as a permit.

Email sent to my rep asking for support of this bill ;)

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AHH yes. Very observant of you! But that is a portion that is in the existing law.

Text that is to be removed from the existing law is bounded [thus], text that is to be added is underlined.

Thanks also for your mail to your representive in support of this bill.

I also suggest that occasionally *we* send letters of thanks to those legislators supporting us. Or at least if one of the sponsors is your representative, saying thank you.

My Rep. is already a co-sponsor. :) :cool:

Sent out my request for support to Senator Greenleaf today.

I'll be sending emails before I go to bed tonight.

As most of you know, I usually hate any new legislation. However, I like this bill!

I am composing an email to my rep as soon as I finish here.
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This is one of our Pro gun bills to address firearm owners concerns; years ago this would not even been possible. These fixes to the UFA are only possible by your active direct involvement in the political process. This is just some of the positive effects of our annual second amendment interactive legislative lobbying events have been yielding. Think what would be possible IF we could Only get more gun owners to take a personally active role in protecting their firearm rights at the state capital level.

thank you to all for taking your time to contact Reps uging them for support.


We have a couple more ideas for bills that we are currently trying with Reps on both sides of the aisle to get put into action as part of your wish list of changes to the UFA.

I also hope more of you wll take up the offers to go with us to the capitial at the informal legislative activities that come up from time to time during the year.

Emailed all my reps, this is a GREAT bill that needs everyone's support!

It appears that Tom does check and read his email...... I will be making an appointment to meet with Tom in person. I really like his 2A position and I want to make sure he realizes the conservative backing he has. I also want to find out how he can help get the Castle bill out of committee.

"Reply from Tom Killion.......

George - Thanks for your email. I will support this bill. Tom Killion


Representative Tom Killion
Room 403 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120
Harrisburg Phone: (717) 772-0855
District Office Phone: (610) 325-1541
Website: www.repkillion.com"

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Originally Posted by thundrr1

It appears that Tom does check and read his email...... I will be making an appointment to meet with Tom in person. I really like his 2A position and I want to make sure he realizes the conservative backing he has. I also want to find out how he can help get the Castle bill out of committee.

"Reply from Tom Killion.......

George - Thanks for your email. I will support this bill. Tom Killion


Representative Tom Killion
Room 403 Irvis Office Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120
Harrisburg Phone: (717) 772-0855
District Office Phone: (610) 325-1541
Website: www.repkillion.com"

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Tom Killion also supports one gun per month legislation.

In a recent election (when Killion ran against Dewey), I called both candidates. Both proudly declared that they supported limiting handgun purchases to one per month.

I believe he supports lost/stolen legislation as well.

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Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

[COLOR="Blue"] Think what would be possible IF we could Only get more gun owners to take a personally active role in protecting their firearm rights at the state capital level.

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The removal of a licensing system and draconian transportation laws?

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Originally Posted by IronSight

The removal of a licensing system and draconian transportation laws?

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i believe it is being adressed in HB760

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Originally Posted by renegadephoenix

i believe it is being adressed in HB760

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Nice, progress. Would you happen to have a link to somewhere with the info on that?

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Originally Posted by IronSight

Nice, progress. Would you happen to have a link to somewhere with the info on that?

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i'm working on it, i was with Whitefeather all day sunday working the FOAC booth at the Washington Co. gun show and we were discussing these issues and the coresponding HBs.

sorry, HB750:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...&type=B&bn=750

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Originally Posted by renegadephoenix

sorry, HB750:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...&type=B&bn=750

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No offense, but even if that passes the law still really, really sucks, badly.

If HB 1292 becomes law, then Philadelphia's willy-nilly revocations might just slow down a bit (Canceled because you were a crime victim; Canceled because you got a parking ticket; Canceled because it's Thursday; Etc., etc.).

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Originally Posted by IronSight

No offense, but even if that passes the law still really, really sucks, badly.

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No offense but What are you prepared to do with direct action to change that statement?

PA is still rated the 10th most restrictive firearm state by the Brady bunch because of gun owners not standing in opposition when these most of these laws were enacted in the mid 1990's

You want to change or repeal the law altogether?

Little help little fixes, big help with overwhelming support anything is possible you notice i didn't say money, it certain would help but we are used to not having any, so we make up with determination.

How about doing your part, getting us only 3% of the total gun owners in PA at the capital on April 27, rally and legislative lobbying event to go jam the capital hall ways with gun owners, we will get you what ever you want changed or fixed in the UFA.

estimate there is 2.5 million gun owners in PA with 3% what’s that like 75,000 people, we can't even get 3% from PAFOA to attend with 3 months advance notice given.

Even if we could only 3% of the gun owners to call or write their Reps once a month to push legislation the same results could be achieved. How many years has gun control advanced in PA before recently doing these rallies have we been able to start repealing parts of the worst section with a tiny faction of gun owners doing all the work?

Where is everyone else help that enjoys the benefits when it comes time to do the work?

So no offense again, but what results to you really expect when its only a few Unpaid volunteers people doing all the work?

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Originally Posted by renegadephoenix

i'm working on it, i was with Whitefeather all day sunday working the FOAC booth at the Washington Co. gun show and we were discussing these issues and the coresponding HBs.

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How many people at a gun show didn't seem to care enough about there rights to even give one day to defend their rights? renegadephoenix was there and can tell you the same sad story, people who don't care about defending their rights soon will find they don't have many left.

If most gun owners at a gun show don't care enough about defending their rights why should the elected Reps give a higher priority to them? Really? why should they? Still many elected Reps do care about protect gun owners rights because FOAC helps (re) elect them to office.

BTW renegadephoenix the Rep stop at the FOAC booth did sign on to HB 1541 the day after we talked with him about it thx for the assist.

Don't like PA laws how about work tireless like many of the FOAC Unpaid volunteers do every month year after year doing their part in the fight for the cause in which they so strongly believe in, what about everyone else?

we are out there in the front line in the trenches engaged directly in the fight and there is no one else out here in the fight that i can see. Go work a few gun shows go make a few 2nd A presentation at gun clubs you will be disappointed in gun owners and understand why we have laws or as you stated better than I could.

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Originally Posted by IronSight

No offense, but even if that passes the law still really, really sucks, badly.

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We got many bad existing laws because most gun owners don't care till it effects them personally....then they always look to the UFA for protection and there is one little clause that just didn't happen to be in there that shields them. that was us that did the tiny fix, just to get what is needed that saves their butts.

Reading many post by people posting and highlighted a section of law that WE helped directly put in the UFA, even got probably got memos of the crafting of the actual language that we stuck in there that many on PAFOA now quote, makes us proud to know that the special forces of FOAC activistism makes a difference.

Sorry for the rant, just got off a two days working a booth at a gun show, we got SIX scheduled 2nd A presentation to make in beginning of March (so far) with drive / meeting time its 5-6 hour each so that about a 40 work week that is freely given in the cause to fix the laws, not to mention still have to make time to work on April 27 rally paper work and have to fit in a team leadership meeting that hasn't been scheduled and still have to write up an outline of bills yet. All of this with full time jobs and family we have to fit in around this being un paid activist.

BTW Should include that my wife think I am a fool and wasting my cash & time away from my family because most gun owners don’t seem to care, well not enough to do anything constructive to change anything at least. . Is Wifey right or wrong? I think she is correct sad to say.......

....If gun owners really don't care about protecting their Rights, why should the elected Reps?

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Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

Sorry for the rant

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No need to apologize, I'd be pissed too if I worked my ass off and no-one seemed to give a damn. I only recently started paying attention to PA's gun laws, largely because I realized I wanted to start carrying & I will soon be 21 (middle of this month). I'd love to get involved with FOAC, honestly, I just don't have any real idea where or when they need volunteers.. So for now my involvement's been with writing letters to the commissioners who consider L&S laws, and calling or writing sheriff's to get clarification on their policies. I ought to add those state reps to my e-mailing & writing list.

That reminds me to e-mail Kim Stolfer back, I'll ask about the volunteering.

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Originally Posted by IronSight

No need to apologize, I'd be pissed too if I worked my ass off and no-one seemed to give a damn. I only recently started paying attention to PA's gun laws, largely because I realized I wanted to start carrying & I will soon be 21 (middle of this month). I'd love to get involved with FOAC, honestly, I just don't have any real idea where or when they need volunteers.. So for now my involvement's been with writing letters to the commissioners who consider L&S laws, and calling or writing sheriff's to get clarification on their policies. I ought to add those state reps to my e-mailing & writing list.

That reminds me to e-mail Kim Stolfer back, I'll ask about the volunteering.

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Thanks for stepping up and fighting the fights you can, you've done more than a lot of people on this forum have done.

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Originally Posted by IronSight

No need to apologize, I'd be pissed too if I worked my ass off and no-one seemed to give a damn. I only recently started paying attention to PA's gun laws, largely because I realized I wanted to start carrying & I will soon be 21 (middle of this month). I'd love to get involved with FOAC, honestly, I just don't have any real idea where or when they need volunteers.. So for now my involvement's been with writing letters to the commissioners who consider L&S laws, and calling or writing sheriff's to get clarification on their policies. I ought to add those state reps to my e-mailing & writing list.

That reminds me to e-mail Kim Stolfer back, I'll ask about the volunteering.

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THANK YOU for joining in the fight, WE sure can use the help from everyone that is willing to fight for the cause.

Your involvement with FOAC like any group including PAFOA, is all what you want to make of your contribution of time and effort.

The opportunity is there for you as a individual to make a real difference for the future of firearm ownership, you just to have to decide what you like to do that really needs done and follow through with direct action.

It’s always easier and more fun to do something you like to do as volunteer, FOAC will work anyone willing to join in the battle.

Please do follow up and email Kim Stolfer at activist@fyi.net