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Gun Buyback Programs - let's make a deal!
So I saw this thread:
http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/1201...n-buyback.html
And now I think we need to do this.
Let's get something organized. Does anyone know when the next Philadelphia-area "buyback" program will take place? I want to organize a small group of us to go down and help prevent some of these pieces of history and family heritage from becoming a steaming pile of scrap metal and charred wood. I'll need help, though, so who is with me?
I will help to ensure that all activities we partake in as a group are recorded, both in audio and video formats. Let's plan to keep this a civil and 100% legal event.
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For the life of me, I can't see ANY reason why the ANTIS wouldn't be fully supportive of this idea.
"If it gets just ONE gun off the streets, it was worthwhile". Where have we heard THAT one before?
Am I right?
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Are you able to elaborate more on your idea of prevention?
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Prevention of what? I don't know to what you are referring.
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Originally Posted by
ViperGTS19801
So I saw this thread:
http://forum.pafoa.org/news-123/1201...n-buyback.html
I want to organize a small group of us to go down and help
prevent some of these pieces of history and family heritage from becoming a steaming pile of scrap metal and charred wood. I'll need help, though, so who is with me?
I am just asking you to elaborate on your ideas of preventing...
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Originally Posted by
ddefazio
I am just asking you to elaborate on your ideas of preventing...
Look at it this way.
I have a pistol my grandpap brought back from "the war". I hear about this "buy back" to keep the streets safe. I go, give them a piece of history for a few bucks, and it gets turned into a street lamp.
Why on earth wouldn't we want to go, and potentially give these collectibles a good home?
Viper, I am all for it.
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Elaborate. What are your plans?
"Talking them into going home"?
"Explaining that they are playing into the hands of the antis"?
"Offering the same deal"?
"Offering them $5 over what the antis are offering"?
"Offering a fair price"?
I think that's what he means...
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Originally Posted by
Emptymag
Elaborate. What are your plans?
"Talking them into going home"?
"Explaining that they are playing into the hands of the antis"?
"Offering the same deal"?
"Offering them $5 over what the antis are offering"?
"Offering a fair price"?
I think that's what he means...
Thank you EM! That is exactly what I was talking about. Just wanted to see where he was going with this.
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EmptyMag got it right, ddefazio. I think it's really a crying shame to have a firearm that may have been used in a war to secure our safety, or a family heirloom which has been passed down from generation to generation, get melted down and turned into a streetlight, in the name of "public safety" and "amnesty."
First of all, we, as firearms enthusiasts, will put them to much better use - we'll take proper care of them and maintain them the way they should be, and if they are in good working order, we may even carry them to protect ourselves and our rights, in excercise of the 2nd Amendment.
Secondly, we'll prevent them from being destroyed, or maybe at least in turn put them in the hands of a dealer who will know better what can be done with it, or if it's an antique or collectible.
Thirdly, these programs don't take guns out of the hands of criminals, they just get people's property destroyed. In fact, by offering more money to the gun owners than the police are giving, we're helping to fuel the local economy even more than the cops, and people will get a more fair price for their guns.
I wonder if it would be possible for an FFL to come along and offer their transfer services for a nominal fee (recouperate incurred costs only, maybe?) as an act of charity or good will. It is the holiday season, after all.
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This is why humans made places like the SPCA. Instead of destroying an animal, why not take them to a place where they may have a chance to go home with a loving family and live a fruitful and happy life.
why can't this apply to guns!!!! :D
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Because guns kill people. ;)
So can a dog, or a cat if it really tries hard enough.
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first, stop perpetually referring to these anti gun events as "buyBACKS"
they cant fucking buy BACK what they never owned in the first place.
yeah, its semantics, but its about being truthful also.
you know, its bad enough we have the moronic public sheep, but we also have to deal with deliberately stupid, deceitful, and lying douchebags like below.. and yeah, its a real screenshot.
http://www.bigboomstick.com/images/morons.jpg
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Originally Posted by
JayBell
first, stop perpetually referring to these anti gun events as "buy
BACKS"
they cant fucking buy
BACK what they never owned in the first place.
yeah, its semantics, but its about being truthful also.
you know, its bad enough we have the moronic public sheep, but we also have to deal with deliberately stupid, deceitful, and lying douchebags like below.. and yeah, its a real screenshot.
http://www.bigboomstick.com/images/morons.jpg
I can't believe someone turned that in for $100.00 worth of groceries. I bet it's a prop.
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Originally Posted by
ViperGTS19801
I wonder if it would be possible for an FFL to come along and offer their transfer services for a nominal fee (recouperate incurred costs only, maybe?) as an act of charity or good will. It is the holiday season, after all.
From what I understand, FFL's must conduct transactions at their place of business. There are some permissions for gun shows and the like, but not what you are proposing. My preferred FFL is almost three hours from me. When I need a transaction done through him, I must make the trip to his shop. He cannot meet me halfway (or come to my home) and conduct the transaction, even if he has all the necessary paperwork and conducts the PICS check over his cell phone, or via my land line.
Long guns would be much simpler, but for handguns, I think you'll find you'll need to convince the current owner to accompany you to a nearby FFL to legally effect the transfer.
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You gotta ask your self how many guns are stolen guns, guns used in murders or other active crimes. What happens if you go around the police and get one?
I like the idea, christ except for about what 15 different guns that are POS like a Jennings anything almost every other gun is worth considerable more than a 100 dollars. 1911s, glocks, hk's, sw revolvers, antiques, limited runs of any gun.....
Why hasn't an FFL who doesn't like the idea of buy backs go there and say double and stock his shop with low cost guns? If i bring a glock to a gun store i'm not going to see more than 300, he sells it for 400. If he buys for 2 and sells for 4 he's making out like a bandit lol
So if this were to happen I know that I would NOT buy a gun that has tape on the trigger and handle. I would not buy anything really beat up or crappy. What about the gang bangers coming to cash on? Do you tell them no not interested in your gun and buy the same gun from who's next in line? lol that won't cause problems
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Originally Posted by
JayBell
first, stop perpetually referring to these anti gun events as "buy
BACKS"
they cant fucking buy
BACK what they never owned in the first place.
yeah, its semantics, but its about being truthful also.
you know, its bad enough we have the moronic public sheep, but we also have to deal with deliberately stupid, deceitful, and lying douchebags like below.. and yeah, its a real screenshot.
http://www.bigboomstick.com/images/morons.jpg
What is that? Its not a Thompson. It looks like some home made piece of crap with a coffee can attached.
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Originally Posted by
7998
What is that? Its not a Thompson. It looks like some home made piece of crap with a coffee can attached.
I was going to say the same thing, not a Thompson, no way, no how.
Oh and about the FFL, since a boatload of these guns that come in are antiques many may fall under the C & R and can be bought by someone who has one. I have one but that's a bit of a haul for 'maybes'
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Several years ago a program to buy guns took place in the Lehigh Valley. I believe it was part of operation trigger lock. The police were given strict orders to keep anyone away from the people turning the guns in with the intention of buying them. I remember one guy I know went out and bought 4 jennings .22s for $49@ and got $100@ for turning them in. I do recall several real nice old Colt and S&W revolvers turned in. Alot of the people who did this knew the guns were worth more but believed this would get guns off the street and reduce crime. I guess they were criminals who would lose control of themselves.
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Originally Posted by
ronbo1012
Several years ago a program to buy guns took place in the Lehigh Valley. I believe it was part of operation trigger lock. The police were given strict orders to keep anyone away from the people turning the guns in with the intention of buying them. I remember one guy I know went out and bought 4 jennings .22s for $49@ and got $100@ for turning them in. I do recall several real nice old Colt and S&W revolvers turned in. Alot of the people who did this knew the guns were worth more but believed this would get guns off the street and reduce crime. I guess they were criminals who would lose control of themselves.
Now there's an entrepreneur!
Hmmmmm. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. (whistling)
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one guy I know went out and bought 4 jennings .22s for $49@ and got $100@ for turning them in.
Wouldn't this be just like the FEDS "cash for clunkers" program then...LOL!
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Originally Posted by
7998
What is that? Its not a Thompson. It looks like some home made piece of crap with a coffee can attached.
It's a 12ga "Street Sweeper" Shotgun.
12rds in a spring loaded/wound drum. These used to sell as title 1 (over the counter) shotguns.
During the Clinton Administration, they were reclassified as (title 2) "Destructive Devices" and offered a amnesty to have them registered free of the $200 tax.
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So how does an FFL get around this, or how would a person do a pistol transfer not at the FFLs place of business. Unfortunately, most sellers would not go to the gun dealer unless offering them ~3x the amount, I bet...
I like how Police are allowed to take temporary possession... or at least no one is charging them...
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I think this would be a great idea if you could organize it with an FFL, and get the permission of the land owner. Then you could just have groups go to each Gun-Buy program and set up right outside / next to offering fairer prices. Hell I'd be interested just to see what turns up
Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'm interested in how hard it would be to just organize a gun buy program? Why not just do that? Get the police on your side - give them all the stolen / tampered with guns. Buy back the rest? I'm not sure about the legalities of setting one up, but that might not be a bad alternative.
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Originally Posted by
DVE
Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'm interested in how hard it would be to just organize a gun buy program? Why not just do that? Get the police on your side - give them all the stolen / tampered with guns. Buy back the rest? I'm not sure about the legalities of setting one up, but that might not be a bad alternative.
bad part is if 90% of the items are stolen/tampered then this becomes very expensive.
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Who really knows if a nice antique gun or rare collectible or even a nice, functioning modern gun that is turned in to these events is really destroyed and not setting in someone's (who was involved with the event) cabinet at home?
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Originally Posted by
gnbrotz
From what I understand, FFL's must conduct transactions at their place of business.
ffls may take possession of guns anywhere but they can only transfer them to a nonlicensee at there licensed premsises or gun shows that are pretty broadly defined flea markets do not count.
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Originally Posted by
mmcallister
bad part is if 90% of the items are stolen/tampered then this becomes very expensive.
I'm saying that you would only buy the ones that aren't, the rest would be just handed right over to the police - some kind of reimbursement program would have to be set up for that.
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Taking some of the pistols off of theor hands wou;ld be a trick...as it would need to go through a FFL... and require paperwork.
I am down with getting a few lon g arms out of the smelter... all legal like, no paperwork other than a bill of sale... offer 125.00 cash.
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Bensalem is having a buy back Saturday 2/9 10-2 at the municipal building.
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I hope it is by now clear that the original idea is totally unworkable. In fact, you might get arrested for it.
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Originally Posted by
ForeverPA
I hope it is by now clear that the original idea is totally unworkable. In fact, you might get arrested for it.
There is nothing in this old-assed thread that makes that clear at all.
Is there some other info which you are referring to?
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Originally Posted by
Emptymag
There is nothing in this old-assed thread that makes that clear at all.
Is there some other info which you are referring to?
What is the big idea? Going down to the city, pulling people out of the line, offering them cash for their weapons, getting back in your car and drive away? How is this different from buying guns out of the trunk of a car?
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Originally Posted by
ForeverPA
What is the big idea? Going down to the city, pulling people out of the line, offering them cash for their weapons, getting back in your car and drive away? How is this different from buying guns out of the trunk of a car?
You didn't really address my question.
Buying a long gun out of the trunk of a car, in a parking lot, or at your home is not in itself illegal.
(Handguns though, DO require an FFL)
I just thought by the way you stated what you said, that you read something that verifies that the proposed idea is "totally unworkable" and had info on how one could be arrested.
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I can't cite chapter and verse of the law. I just have common sense on my side. The whole point is supposedly to take guns off streets. You think with cops and city officials standing around they are going to let you walk in and make deals? I wouldn't get inside a mile of that crowd.
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Originally Posted by
ForeverPA
I can't cite chapter and verse of the law. I just have common sense on my side. The whole point is supposedly to take guns off streets. You think with cops and city officials standing around they are going to let you walk in and make deals? I wouldn't get inside a mile of that crowd.
nothing wrong with buying guns at the buy backs
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/203...ks-page-6.html
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I thought that there may be a reason it can't be done here. That's why I asked ForeverPA to elaborate. From what he stated, I thought he knew something I did not.
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Originally Posted by
ForeverPA
I can't cite chapter and verse of the law. I just have common sense on my side. The whole point is supposedly to take guns off streets. You think with cops and city officials standing around they are going to let you walk in and make deals? I wouldn't get inside a mile of that crowd.
Your "common sense" apparently fails you.
Been happening quite a bit with full knowledge by police. "Liking" or "disliking" doesn't make it law..although in today's political clime, I can see that being a confusing aspect.
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Looks like it was rescheduled for the 16th due to weather.