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I just heard about this outrageous rule! So an individual getting benefits from cannabis can't benefit from firearm protection (anymore)!? How's this make any sense. Is NRA and firearm rights groups & politicians fighting this? All ya hear is opioid this and that but no mention of stripping pain pill users firearm rights, but cannabis suddenly crosses the line. BS to me.
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It's against Federal Law. Already being discussed here. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=329928
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Hazza Rekki
I just heard about this outrageous rule! So an individual getting benefits from cannabis can't benefit from firearm protection (anymore)!? How's this make any sense. Is NRA and firearm rights groups & politicians fighting this? All ya hear is opioid this and that but no mention of stripping pain pill users firearm rights, but cannabis suddenly crosses the line. BS to me.
Been illegal since 1968.
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Hazza Rekki
I just heard about this outrageous rule! So an individual getting benefits from cannabis can't benefit from firearm protection (anymore)!? How's this make any sense. Is NRA and firearm rights groups & politicians fighting this? All ya hear is opioid this and that but no mention of stripping pain pill users firearm rights, but cannabis suddenly crosses the line. BS to me.
Regardless of state laws smoking dope is a crime at the national level. Besides decriminalizing marijuana has never been about expanding freedoms for the people it's about expanding taxable commodities for the .gov
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Idk the logic of drinking, pain pills, cigarettes, cigars, herbals but cannabis forbids firearm ownership. Seems idiotic to me.
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Hazza Rekki
Idk the logic of drinking, pain pills, cigarettes, cigars, herbals but cannabis forbids firearm ownership. Seems idiotic to me.
Government......there is a lot of idiotic there.
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I agree.. however that IS CURRENT FEDERAL LAW..
Don't like laws, push to get them changed! But seeing as the AG is going after states that have legalized pot, probably not gonna happen soon
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Hazza Rekki
I just heard about this outrageous rule! So an individual getting benefits from cannabis can't benefit from firearm protection (anymore)!? How's this make any sense. Is NRA and firearm rights groups & politicians fighting this? All ya hear is opioid this and that but no mention of stripping pain pill users firearm rights, but cannabis suddenly crosses the line. BS to me.
Are you a member of the NRA or any other firearms rights group? If so, what did they say when you wrote them letters asking them about this?
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Hazza Rekki
Idk the logic of drinking, pain pills, cigarettes, cigars, herbals but cannabis forbids firearm ownership. Seems idiotic to me.
First of all, Firearms ownership was not the question. You were asking about carry license.
Second, your driver's license can be pulled for too many DUIs so its not so crazy that Gov would deny other licenses that allow you to operate a lethal piece of metal as well.
Seems perfectly logical that they would deny a license to folks who announce that they are users of a prohibited drug.
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Hazza Rekki
Idk the logic of drinking, pain pills, cigarettes, cigars, herbals but cannabis forbids firearm ownership. Seems idiotic to me.
One of these things is not like the others. Can you guess which one it is?
Hint: It's illegal under federal law.
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Ya see, it all started with that 1930's movie, Reefer Madness ...
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LOL, a lot of pot heads popping up lately having to choose between getting high and keeping their guns.
It may not be right, but it's been that way before most have been born. Guess you will have to take OTC meds like the rest of us.
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What have you done to fight this? I get venting but we need to fight as well.
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People could get an Rx for pain medication from their docs. Or Rx for whatever else ails them.
I’m opposed to drug laws but also think it’s funny all the people that have been saved by medical MJ. And they also happen to like The Grateful Dead and tye dye.
Is MJ really the miracle drug that treats everything?
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Mitch10mm
Is MJ really the miracle drug that treats everything?
In college it helped me understand The Wall.
I'd call that a small miracle.:p
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Mitch10mm
People could get an Rx for pain medication from their docs. Or Rx for whatever else ails them.
I’m opposed to drug laws but also think it’s funny all the people that have been saved by medical MJ. And they also happen to like The Grateful Dead and tye dye.
Is MJ really the miracle drug that treats everything?
http://phoneboy.org/images/snakeoil2.jpg
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streaker69
Gunswater needs this.
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Mitch10mm
People could get an Rx for pain medication from their docs. Or Rx for whatever else ails them.
I’m opposed to drug laws but also think it’s funny all the people that have been saved by medical MJ. And they also happen to like The Grateful Dead and tye dye.
Is MJ really the miracle drug that treats everything?
Many cancer patients have said that it helps them. It's been used for centuries by many cultures for many things, but of course that's nonsense. The government knows best, and only has our best interests in mind by keeping it illegal.
Now it's back door gun control.
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buxbandit
Many cancer patients have said that it helps them. It's been used for centuries by many cultures for many things, but of course that's nonsense. The government knows best, and only has our best interests in mind by keeping it illegal.
Now it's back door gun control.
Cultures did rain dances and used leeches or drilled holes in patients foreheads, drained blood, etc
I’m not saying all the old cures are bunk or that there isn’t some benefit to using marijuana. Or cocaine. Or heroin.
My issue is the claim that one plant has The beneficial effects for so many different diseases and symptoms. And many of the people at the forefront of medicinal marijuana resemble flower power children.
I’m one that also believes in government minding its own business and not punishing people for what they choose to partake. I’ve heard all the associated victims and crime of drug users and fail to see the widespread evidence of such. No victim, no crime. So if someone wants to get buzzed on alcohol or weed or coke or heroin or meth so be it. Let them purchase it and use it. If they harm someone to obtain it or while under the influence there are existing laws to punish them.
The war on drugs is a failure. Admitting defeat is no different then realizing prohibition did more harm than good. There are examples of countries that have decriminalized many of the harder drugs and have seen much less crime, overdoses, loss of work and other such negatives that are often cited.
Instead we keep doing the same things trying to protect people from themselves.
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Fortunately, for those gun owners who are ill and can legitimately benefit from the medicinal value of cannabis, the active component of MJ that supposedly has medicinal value, THC, is also synthetically manufactured and marketed as Drobinal. I just read a public nktice where DEA was listing FDA approved products containing Drobinal as a Schedule 2 drug, which can therefore be issued with a prescription.
Federal law prohibits possession of firearms by frequent users of marijuana. It does not prohibit possession by people who are medically prescribed a regimen of pharmaceutical THC. So, if anybody really needed it, it can be had without loss of rights.
The whole concept of "medical" marijuana is an absolute bullshit, end-around attempt for stoners to claim anxiety as a disability in order to get baked. If you want to smoke, you should be able to. Let's not all buy in to this charade. Legalize it and regulate it the same as alcohol. If you're caught driving under the influence, lose your license and go to jail. If you want to stay at home and be responsible, smoke up, Johnny!
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This is absurd.
Next you are going to tell me that it will be illegal to drink my beer while I drive.
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Mitch10mm
Cultures did rain dances and used leeches or drilled holes in patients foreheads, drained blood, etc
I’m not saying all the old cures are bunk or that there isn’t some benefit to using marijuana. Or cocaine. Or heroin.
My issue is the claim that one plant has The beneficial effects for so many different diseases and symptoms. And many of the people at the forefront of medicinal marijuana resemble flower power children.
I’m one that also believes in government minding its own business and not punishing people for what they choose to partake. I’ve heard all the associated victims and crime of drug users and fail to see the widespread evidence of such. No victim, no crime. So if someone wants to get buzzed on alcohol or weed or coke or heroin or meth so be it. Let them purchase it and use it. If they harm someone to obtain it or while under the influence there are existing laws to punish them.
The war on drugs is a failure. Admitting defeat is no different then realizing prohibition did more harm than good. There are examples of countries that have decriminalized many of the harder drugs and have seen much less crime, overdoses, loss of work and other such negatives that are often cited.
Instead we keep doing the same things trying to protect people from themselves.
Leeches Cleared for Medical Use by the FDA
After Thousands of Years of Use, FDA Approves Leeches as Medical Devices
From the WebMD Archives
June 28, 2004 -- Coming to a pharmacy near you, hordes of blood-sucking leeches!
It may sound like a horror movie, but the FDA says it's good medicine.
After thousands of years of use as an alternative treatment to blood-letting (an antiquated and abandoned practice of draining blood to cure diseases) and amputation, the FDA today approved the commercial marketing of leeches for medical purposes.
Medicinal leeches (Hirudo medicinalis) are blood-sucking aquatic animals that live in fresh water.
The small, slimy creatures were widely used in the 19th century to cure a variety of ailments. Currently, they are used in many parts of the world to help heal wounds and restore circulation in blocked blood veins.
Medicinal Leeches Finally Earn FDA Approval
Ricarimpex SAS, a French company, is the first to request and receive FDA clearance to market leeches in the U.S. as medical devices. The firm has been breeding leeches for 150 years in a certified facility and tracks each lot of leeches it produces.
In approving leeches as a medical device, the FDA says it reviewed the literature on leeches use in medicine and evaluated the safety information provided by Ricarimpex.
Under the law, a medical device is any article designed to diagnose, cure, treat, prevent, or mitigate a disease or condition; or to affect the function or structure of the body that does not achieve its effect primarily through a chemical action and is not metabolized.
SOURCE: News release, FDA.
WebMD Health News
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free
One of these things is not like the others. Can you guess which one it is?
Hint: It's illegal under federal law.
Bastiat in The Law describes how men become confused and accept legal as moral and good. Legal plunder. In this case, plunder of human rights.
What is "under the influence"? How long does it last? Can it be measured? Has anyone tried?
If this pot push wasn't a honey trap they'd have changed the laws accordingly. They didn't.
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Gunsnwater
Bastiat in The Law describes how men become confused and accept legal as moral and good.
I've said several times that I think all drugs should be fully legal.
However, despite any personal wishes, they're not. I try to behave accordingly.
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Maybe if even more people start threads on this same topic the feds will see just how serious gun owners are about wanting to get high and they will change the law?
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gghbi
Leeches Cleared for Medical Use by the FDA
After Thousands of Years of Use, FDA Approves Leeches as Medical Devices
From the WebMD Archives
June 28, 2004 -- Coming to a pharmacy near you, hordes of blood-sucking leeches!
It may sound like a horror movie, but the FDA says it's good medicine.
After thousands of years of use as an alternative treatment to blood-letting (an antiquated and abandoned practice of draining blood to cure diseases) and amputation, the FDA today approved the commercial marketing of leeches for medical purposes.
Medicinal leeches (Hirudo medicinalis) are blood-sucking aquatic animals that live in fresh water.
The small, slimy creatures were widely used in the 19th century to cure a variety of ailments. Currently, they are used in many parts of the world to help heal wounds and restore circulation in blocked blood veins.
Medicinal Leeches Finally Earn FDA Approval
Ricarimpex SAS, a French company, is the first to request and receive FDA clearance to market leeches in the U.S. as medical devices. The firm has been breeding leeches for 150 years in a certified facility and tracks each lot of leeches it produces.
In approving leeches as a medical device, the FDA says it reviewed the literature on leeches use in medicine and evaluated the safety information provided by Ricarimpex.
Under the law, a medical device is any article designed to diagnose, cure, treat, prevent, or mitigate a disease or condition; or to affect the function or structure of the body that does not achieve its effect primarily through a chemical action and is not metabolized.
SOURCE: News release, FDA.
WebMD Health News
Well, I am corrected. Who am I to argue with the FDA
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Maggots also have a medical use for treating wounds.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/...ts-heal-wounds
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Heroin is treated like pot, yet opioids derived from it are not, why are medicinals derived from pot still called pot? Honey Pot. That's why.
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Walleye Hunter
Gunswater needs this.
Feeling a lot better today! Sore but ok.
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Mitch10mm
People could get an Rx for pain medication from their docs. Or Rx for whatever else ails them.
I’m opposed to drug laws but also think it’s funny all the people that have been saved by medical MJ. And they also happen to like The Grateful Dead and tye dye.
Is MJ really the miracle drug that treats everything?
Not the weed smokers, but the oil and derivative users that arnt gettin high, just getting free from seizures and sickness.
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Gunsnwater
Heroin is treated like pot, yet opioids derived from it are not...
FWIW....Heroin was initially produced as a medical product. The results achieved caused heroin to fall out of use in favour of other opioid derivatives.
Attachment 104261
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free
FWIW....Heroin was initially produced as a medical product. The results achieved caused heroin to fall out of use in favour of other opioid derivatives.
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Everything starts out legal until some do gooder cries loud enough for a law against it. That's the foundation of Pa O.C.
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Gunsnwater
Everything starts out legal until some do gooder cries loud enough for a law against it. That's the foundation of Pa O.C.
Well, that is the nature of things. The default status of something is "legal". It takes a decision, from SOMEONE with legal authority to do so, to make a thing illegal.
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I have been seeing more and more legitimate patients coming into my work asking where they can go to get marijuana prescribed so they can reduce the opiates they use. I work with spine doctors. We have a lady who uses it and it reduces her tremors. She has a condition and he head constantly looks like a boble-head doll as it keeps shaking. Its so sad.
I said to the doctor how it would be a shame if she could not CC a gun due to medical marijuana use if she needed it because she could not defend herself otherwise. We see patients here and there who do not feel safe as their exhusbands follow them and harass them.
These are circumstances where its rediculous to take away a person’s rights to bear arms.
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chinaboy
These are circumstances where its rediculous to take away a person’s rights to bear arms.
Yes - such as all circumstances where the person is not dead or is in prison.
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free
Yes - such as all circumstances where the person is not dead or is in prison.
I agree.
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chinaboy
I have been seeing more and more legitimate patients coming into my work asking where they can go to get marijuana prescribed so they can reduce the opiates they use. I work with spine doctors. We have a lady who uses it and it reduces her tremors. She has a condition and he head constantly looks like a boble-head doll as it keeps shaking. Its so sad.
I said to the doctor how it would be a shame if she could not CC a gun due to medical marijuana use if she needed it because she could not defend herself otherwise. We see patients here and there who do not feel safe as their exhusbands follow them and harass them.
These are circumstances where its rediculous to take away a person’s rights to bear arms.
The only way "I" think to get around this is NFA.
You can OC a short barrel shotgun, and put it in your car.
The big question is, do you need a LTCF to drive around with it, as its a weapon,
not a firearm ( I think thats correct)
Someone that knows the definition/laws please chime in.
Edit: come to think of it, I thin k you need a LTCF to carry in car.
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Gunsnwater
Not the weed smokers, but the oil and derivative users that arnt gettin high, just getting free from seizures and sickness.
Is this the same wax and oils people are smoking to get high? Idk. People used to smoke weed now they vape oil or wax. Just like meth can be smoked or snorted heroin is snorted smoked or injected. Users seem to know all the tricks.
I don’t care what people do. I’d just like to know if it actually helps with all these different health issues or if it’s a placebo or if it’s a way to legally do MJ at least in the state’s view
And again I don’t really care. Have at it. I’d prefer the facts though
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Emptymag
Maybe if even more people start threads on this same topic the feds will see just how serious gun owners are about wanting to get high and they will change the law?
maybe we should march and wear purple dick hats?
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Mitch10mm
Is this the same wax and oils people are smoking to get high? Idk. People used to smoke weed now they vape oil or wax. Just like meth can be smoked or snorted heroin is snorted smoked or injected. Users seem to know all the tricks.
I don’t care what people do. I’d just like to know if it actually helps with all these different health issues or if it’s a placebo or if it’s a way to legally do MJ at least in the state’s view
And again I don’t really care. Have at it. I’d prefer the facts though
I dont take pain killers just aleave, but I'll tell you what...
I tried one of those cookies (not even half) and I was numb.
Any pain I had was numb... Never did it again as I dont like feeling that way,
but it works and you dont get addicted.