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Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
I am not sure if this is the correct place or not.
First thing, I do have a valid PA LTCF.
Unfortunatley, I have the need to travel into Philly to take my wife for medical care not available locally. Having had the bad fortune of her discharge from the hospital coming shortly after a scheduled shutdown of the PA Turnpike for over night construction, we were foreced to travel through North Philly around 1AM in the morning, let me just say that was "a bit concerning" since due ot medical reasons my wife's mobility was very limited.
So, with all of that said and since my wife continues to require medical care that will bring us back to Philly frequently, I have updaged my carry pistol to a larger caliber and also purchased a Mossberg Shockwave, as the sites of the late night trip made a profound impression.
My understanding is since I have a valid LTCF, I am able to carry a loaded firearm (hand gun or other) within my vehicle, and if needed, I am able to walk the city streets... not that I plan to... My concern is if we again are forced to travel at night through North Philly, my vehicle becomes or something worse occurs (use you imagination after watching the Philly news) and I need to move my wife to a safe place while possibly pushing her in a wheel chair.
I appreciate any suggestions and please remember my purpose is to keep my wife safe and avoid problems, legal or otherwise.
Thank You
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
You are correct. A valid LTCF allows you to legally possess and carry both a loaded handgun and a loaded shockwave in your vehicle, as well as openly or concealed on your person if you wish.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
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Originally Posted by
gnbrotz
You are correct. A valid LTCF allows you to legally possess and carry both a loaded handgun and a loaded shockwave in your vehicle, as well as openly or concealed on your person if you wish.
Honest question here, is a shockwave not considered a long gun?
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Originally Posted by
internet troll
Honest question here, is a shockwave not considered a long gun?
No.
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Originally Posted by
knight0334
When they were first released there was serious consideration that they could be Prohibited Offensive Weapons that wouldn't be legal to own.
However, the PSP has pretty much put their blessing on them and determined them to be "firearms", which is classified the same as a handgun. ..requiring a PSP Record of Sale. Which also means your LTCF allows you to carry them concealed or in a vehicle.
Pretty much all of the gun shops around here sell them, or have them listed on their websites, or will order you one if you want it.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
Couple of extra mags for your primary carry gun should be step 1.
If
IF
IF.... the shockwave is a pistol ( I don't know)........
You will be OK legally... eventually.
I cannot imagine any beat cop knowing the item in question is legal, because for years and years the only way to create something like that is to cut down a shotgun. And it is still illegal to reduce the barrel length to less than 18", as far as I know.
So you are gonna face lots of legal buffoonery if the tool gets used, or Officer Friendly spots it and gets all proactive on you.
How much time / $ do you want to spend dealing with it?
Consider...
You are driving a weapon. It's expensive, but it's a weapon.
AR15 pistols are a thing and they ARE pistols. Lots of badass firepower there.
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Originally Posted by
gnbrotz
No. Standby while I pull other posts and info to support that.
Thank you for the info, I was not aware of that.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
I suspect if you get stopped at 1 AM in Philadelphia with a shokwave a judge will be answering your question. Not that night, but when you go to court.
It should be legal and you should not be hassled..........but this is what I suspect will happen.
Good luck.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
In previous times in my life I have worked in some bad areas, but at those times I did not have a very sick wife with me, so the situation was different.
To me the prefered asnwer would be to avoid the place all together, but it simply is not an option since the required care is not available locally.
And having made the trip at night as stated above while driving through what seemed to be more 3rd world country than anything it has really made me have to think.
During the last trip we did have someone approach us with something planned, pulling a ski mask down over his head before approaching my truck was a good indicator, but in that case we were able to drive away.
I have worked in areas where this type of thing is "more planned" and the participants first block you in from the front and rear, or simply ram the target vehicle before approaching.
With all of this said, I would not wish this on anyone, and sincerly do appreciate all of the responses it has proven a great "sounding board.
Thank You
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
Train, train, train with that Shockwave. You would in many ways be better served going full NFA short barrel shotgun with a traditional stock.
That said, the Shockwave is a hoot, tons of fun. I don't technically have one, but I do have a standard 500 with the same grip and an 18.5" barrel (still legal to own/shoot, just not for loaded in vehicle purposes in PA).
Someday, I'll "upgrade" to the real deal, probably then SBS my current "shockwave."
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Originally Posted by
flejl
In previous times in my life I have worked in some bad areas, but at those times I did not have a very sick wife with me, so the situation was different.
To me the prefered asnwer would be to avoid the place all together, but it simply is not an option since the required care is not available locally.
And having made the trip at night as stated above while driving through what seemed to be more 3rd world country than anything it has really made me have to think.
During the last trip we did have someone approach us with something planned, pulling a ski mask down over his head before approaching my truck was a good indicator, but in that case we were able to drive away.
I have worked in areas where this type of thing is "more planned" and the participants first block you in from the front and rear, or simply ram the target vehicle before approaching.
With all of this said, I would not wish this on anyone, and sincerly do appreciate all of the responses it has proven a great "sounding board.
Thank You
Philly is bad, especially in some of the rougher neighborhoods.
As someone said previously, the vehicle gives you a lot of "get away" option... I've had to use that option a couple times, just oddly enough not in Philadelphia. The closest I came to having to draw was on a sleepy back country road in Berks County, oddly enough. Bad can happen everywhere.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
I am assuming you are going to Temple or Einstein Hospital. What routes are you taking that puts you into the heart of North Philly?
I got a Shockwave more as a novelty, because I didn’t think they would remain legal. But as someone else said, train, train, train with it. You need two hands to shoot it as compared to a pistol.
I would reconsider my route into Philly as a first step in self preservation. While sometimes there are unforeseen circumstances, there is usually alternatives to driving thru the worst parts.
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Do not conceal a shockwave. They exist I. A gray area of non nfa because of overall length of 26" (an arbitrary number that they see as non concealable) concealing it could end up with charges of having an unregistered aow.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
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Originally Posted by
USMC3531
Do not conceal a shockwave. They exist I. A gray area of non nfa because of overall length of 26" (an arbitrary number that they see as non concealable) concealing it could end up with charges of having an unregistered aow.
By that logic placing it in a car would make it concealed. PSP says otherwise. See post #2.
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Originally Posted by
markshere2
Couple of extra mags for your primary carry gun should be step 1.
If
IF
IF.... the shockwave is a pistol ( I don't know)........
You will be OK legally... eventually.
I cannot imagine any beat cop knowing the item in question is legal, because for years and years the only way to create something like that is to cut down a shotgun. And it is still illegal to reduce the barrel length to less than 18", as far as I know.
So you are gonna face lots of legal buffoonery if the tool gets used, or Officer Friendly spots it and gets all proactive on you.
How much time / $ do you want to spend dealing with it?
Consider...
You are driving a weapon. It's expensive, but it's a weapon.
AR15 pistols are a thing and they ARE pistols. Lots of badass firepower there.
Not a pistol. No license to carry pistols anyway. It’s a firearm.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
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Originally Posted by
USMC3531
Do not conceal a shockwave. They exist I. A gray area of non nfa because of overall length of 26" (an arbitrary number that they see as non concealable) concealing it could end up with charges of having an unregistered aow.
AOW is NFA and costs a stamp and all the rest. It’s not gray. It’s a firearm.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
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Originally Posted by
Delkal
I suspect if you get stopped at 1 AM in Philadelphia with a shokwave a judge will be answering your question. Not that night, but when you go to court.
It should be legal and you should not be hassled..........but this is what I suspect will happen.
Good luck.
Probably right.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
Judges and police know what shockwaves are lol they are usually gun nuts too and there quite a few on here lol
Btw if the shockwave is a must look in to the new mag fed ones. Also, if you are right handed and use a single point sling, you can run it cross body over left shoulder allowing you to carry just under jacket and out of site on your right side and able to pivot and fire 1 handed if needed in an emergency. Just an idea.
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Originally Posted by
Gunsnwater
AOW is NFA and costs a stamp and all the rest. It’s not gray. It’s a firearm.
I'm well aware what an aow is.... if you change the grip tone standard pistolgrip on a shockwave it becomes an aow, because of length. You conceal one of these 26.whatever" firearms on your person and you'll be looking for trouble. "Any other weapon" is a "catch-all" category. An AOW as defined as "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," other than a handgun with a rifled barrel".
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Originally Posted by
icp4life162005
Judges and police know what shockwaves are lol they are usually gun nuts too and there quite a few on here lol
not even sort of true. please disregard all legal advice from anyone whose name implies they are an icp fan for life.
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Originally Posted by
mixednuts
not even sort of true. please disregard all legal advice from anyone whose name implies they are an icp fan for life.
Hahahaha
Since when does commenting that there are police who know what shockwaves are, constitute offering legal advice?
Or are you assuming there's no law enforcement who are pro 2a/pafoa?
Secondly, as far as my screen name, this name was used as far back as me being about 11 or 12. It was easy to remember so I used it here to sign up around the age 17/18. I didn't feel the need when coming back to PAFOA recently to create a new account when I had a functioning one already.
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Originally Posted by
flejl
I am not sure if this is the correct place or not.
First thing, I do have a valid PA LTCF.
Unfortunatley, I have the need to travel into Philly to take my wife for medical care not available locally. Having had the bad fortune of her discharge from the hospital coming shortly after a scheduled shutdown of the PA Turnpike for over night construction, we were foreced to travel through North Philly around 1AM in the morning, let me just say that was "a bit concerning" since due ot medical reasons my wife's mobility was very limited.
So, with all of that said and since my wife continues to require medical care that will bring us back to Philly frequently, I have updaged my carry pistol to a larger caliber and also purchased a Mossberg Shockwave, as the sites of the late night trip made a profound impression.
My understanding is since I have a valid LTCF, I am able to carry a loaded firearm (hand gun or other) within my vehicle, and if needed, I am able to walk the city streets... not that I plan to... My concern is if we again are forced to travel at night through North Philly, my vehicle becomes or something worse occurs (use you imagination after watching the Philly news) and I need to move my wife to a safe place while possibly pushing her in a wheel chair.
I appreciate any suggestions and please remember my purpose is to keep my wife safe and avoid problems, legal or otherwise.
Thank You
I'm with Carson on this one.
Your best move is to pick another driving route to your destination so you can avoid the bad parts of town as much as possible.
Being well armed is no guarantee of success if attacked, and you are unnecessarily risking your life and your wife's life.
So by all means carry what you wish, but please also be sensible and avoid the danger altogether when possible.
You are welcome to send a private message to me or Carson (or other Philly guys) if you would like better directions and don't want to post them in the open forum.
Best of luck to you.
Bern-
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Originally Posted by
Berncly
I'm with Carson on this one.
Your best move is to pick another driving route to your destination so you can avoid the bad parts of town as much as possible.
Being well armed is no guarantee of success if attacked, and you are unnecessarily risking your life and your wife's life.
So by all means carry what you wish, but please also be sensible and avoid the danger altogether when possible.
You are welcome to send a private message to me or Carson (or other Philly guys) if you would like better directions and don't want to post them in the open forum.
Best of luck to you.
Bern-
This.
An extra 10-15 minutes is always worth the peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by
markshere2
Couple of extra mags for your primary carry gun should be step 1.
If
IF
IF.... the shockwave is a pistol ( I don't know)........
You will be OK legally... eventually.
I cannot imagine any beat cop knowing the item in question is legal, because for years and years the only way to create something like that is to cut down a shotgun. And it is still illegal to reduce the barrel length to less than 18", as far as I know.
So you are gonna face lots of legal buffoonery if the tool gets used, or Officer Friendly spots it and gets all proactive on you.
How much time / $ do you want to spend dealing with it?
Consider...
You are driving a weapon. It's expensive, but it's a weapon.
AR15 pistols are a thing and they ARE pistols. Lots of badass firepower there.
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Originally Posted by
Delkal
I suspect if you get stopped at 1 AM in Philadelphia with a shokwave a judge will be answering your question. Not that night, but when you go to court.
It should be legal and you should not be hassled..........but this is what I suspect will happen.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by
USMC3531
Do not conceal a shockwave. They exist I. A gray area of non nfa because of overall length of 26" (an arbitrary number that they see as non concealable) concealing it could end up with charges of having an unregistered aow.
Not a gray area. It's completely legal because it's classified as a firearm, as has been stated. The real issue is the two previous quotes. You will likely be detained, arrested, and have your Shockwave confiscated. You'll win in the end, but expect much time, effort, and likely money lost. Of course, you might get your legal fees back in a civil case, which will cost you more time and effort.
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The Shockwave is a "firearm" or "other firearm" to federal law GCA'68. It isn't a handgun or shotgun, nor a NFA device.
To Pennsylvania it is a "firearm", so it is covered by your LTCF. And the same rules apply requiring a LTCF for carrying it concealed or in a vehicle.
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On a normal basis the path in and out of the city is NE PA extension to the Schuylkill Expressway to the University City area. I have reviewed the crime statistics and they are extremlynot bad, its once you leave the Schuylkill or University City area it seems to change.
As long as I can stay on the above route and we enter/exit during day light, things are ok.
In the case I first mentioned, a series of events just played out in my wife was not released until she finished the full in patient "chemo" treatment, that required 96 straight hours of medication, so each of three inpatients treatments went 5-6 days each, on top of three out patent treatments and 7-8 weeks of radiation.
Then the Turnpike was shutdown at midnight, we did not leave the hospital until 1AM, so we were forced to navigate by GPS, not the best option, but my wife simply had nothing left in the tank and it was get her home or she simply would have given up and let nature take its course.
By the time she completed all of this she could hardly walk and I spent a great deal of time fighting with her because she did not have the strength to keep going. In some ways her health has improved significantly, but she is now fighting the bad side effects of her treatment. We still continue to travel to Philly for her care and will most likely have to continue this for the rest of her life, as this is her only option.
With all of that said, my first course of action is exit a bad spot if possible and the last option is fire a firearm in self defense due to the moral and legal issues. My main concern here is the legality of having a loaded shockwave in my truck, even with a valid LTCF.
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You keep referring to shutting down the Turnpike. Do you mean the Schuykill expressway? If I were in that situation, I would try the East or West river drives up along the Schuykill river to get to city line or I would go West out of the city before I would take the North Philly tour. Maybe even going South to I-95 to get to I-476 then North. Sometimes a map and some common sense is better than a GPS
I wish you and the wife well, in your ongoing journey. Living in and out of hospitals, especially in big cities sucks.
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Originally Posted by
gghbi
You keep referring to shutting down the Turnpike. Do you mean the Schuykill expressway? If I were in that situation, I would try the East or West river drives up along the Schuykill river to get to city line or I would go West out of the city before I would take the North Philly tour. Maybe even going South to I-95 to get to I-476 then North. Sometimes a map and some common sense is better than a GPS
I wish you and the wife well, in your ongoing journey. Living in and out of hospitals, especially in big cities sucks.
I am now assuming they are going to either Penn Presbyterian or University of Pennsylvania since both are near University City and recently PennDott was closing the Schuylkill Expressway overnight, weeknights, from South Street to I-676 which would affect them leaving and heading to the NE EXT. His GPS probably routed them the quickest way possible which probably put them through some West or North Philly neighborhoods.
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Originally Posted by
flejl
On a normal basis the path in and out of the city is NE PA extension to the Schuylkill Expressway to the University City area. I have reviewed the crime statistics and they are extremlynot bad, its once you leave the Schuylkill or University City area it seems to change.
As long as I can stay on the above route and we enter/exit during day light, things are ok.
In the case I first mentioned, a series of events just played out in my wife was not released until she finished the full in patient "chemo" treatment, that required 96 straight hours of medication, so each of three inpatients treatments went 5-6 days each, on top of three out patent treatments and 7-8 weeks of radiation.
Then the Turnpike was shutdown at midnight, we did not leave the hospital until 1AM, so we were forced to navigate by GPS, not the best option, but my wife simply had nothing left in the tank and it was get her home or she simply would have given up and let nature take its course.
By the time she completed all of this she could hardly walk and I spent a great deal of time fighting with her because she did not have the strength to keep going. In some ways her health has improved significantly, but she is now fighting the bad side effects of her treatment. We still continue to travel to Philly for her care and will most likely have to continue this for the rest of her life, as this is her only option.
With all of that said, my first course of action is exit a bad spot if possible and the last option is fire a firearm in self defense due to the moral and legal issues. My main concern here is the legality of having a loaded shockwave in my truck, even with a valid LTCF.
I am very sorry to hear of your wife's declining health.
May she have a full recovery, and may you both have strength and peace of mind as you manage your difficult circumstances.
With regard to your traveling situation, please go ahead and send me a private message here: http://forum.pafoa.org/private.php?do=newpm&u=30334
Just give me the general starting point and the hospital name, and I can send you several safer alternative routes for road closures in the future.
Bern-
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
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Originally Posted by
flejl
My main concern here is the legality of having a loaded shockwave in my truck, even with a valid LTCF.
It is legal to carry a loaded shockwave on your person or in your vehicle, with a valid LTCF.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave and concealed carry or loaded whil carried in a Car
Before I bothered carrying a bulky, cumbersome weapon like the shockwave I would simply carry a full size pistol I can shoot competently and carry a few magazines.
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I normally carry a mid size 1911 in 45ACP, but I frequently replace that with a SAR K2 45 when I go to Philly.
The Shockwave is in addition to what I already carry.
From what I have seen, if things go bad, they will go "really bad" and I will only have myself to depend on.
Again, this is "last resort stuff", but from what i have seen of the area and the "body count" on the nightly news, it seems like there are not allot of options.
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Originally Posted by
flejl
I normally carry a mid size 1911 in 45ACP, but I frequently replace that with a SAR K2 45 when I go to Philly.
The Shockwave is in addition to what I already carry.
From what I have seen, if things go bad, they will go "really bad" and I will only have myself to depend on.
Again, this is "last resort stuff", but from what i have seen of the area and the "body count" on the nightly news, it seems like there are not allot of options.
I visit Kensington, one of the worst areas in the city, every Tuesday evening and I'm confident I can deter/overcome any threat with my HK USP 45C and three magazines. I don't own a shockwave because I see it more as a novelty gun that may be better suited for HD than concealed in a vehicle. Where would you secure the shockwave in your vehicle? How long will it take for you to get to the shockwave and get it into action? How many rounds does the shockwave hold? How effective/accurate is the shockwave at distances greater than 10 yards? Lots of issues to think about and consider.
You're better off maintaining situational awareness, be prepared to flee first, if you stay on main streets like Broad, Market, Chestnut etc. and don't venture off into neighborhoods you should be OK. If you do decide to get a shockwave be prepared to practice, practice and more practice until deploying the shockwave becomes second nature.
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Originally Posted by
flejl
I normally carry a mid size 1911 in 45ACP, but I frequently replace that with a SAR K2 45 when I go to Philly.
The Shockwave is in addition to what I already carry.
From what I have seen, if things go bad, they will go "really bad" and I will only have myself to depend on.
Again, this is "last resort stuff", but from what i have seen of the area and the "body count" on the nightly news, it seems like there are not allot of options.
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Originally Posted by
wellcraft
I visit Kensington, one of the worst areas in the city, every Tuesday evening and I'm confident I can deter/overcome any threat with my HK USP 45C and three magazines. I don't own a shockwave because I see it more as a novelty gun that may be better suited for HD than concealed in a vehicle. Where would you secure the shockwave in your vehicle? How long will it take for you to get to the shockwave and get it into action? How many rounds does the shockwave hold? How effective/accurate is the shockwave at distances greater than 10 yards? Lots of issues to think about and consider.
You're better off maintaining situational awareness, be prepared to flee first, if you stay on main streets like Broad, Market, Chestnut etc. and don't venture off into neighborhoods you should be OK. If you do decide to get a shockwave be prepared to practice, practice and more practice until deploying the shockwave becomes second nature.
This is my thinking as well. The shockwave is cool, but not that practical. I'm thinking you'd be better served by keeping extra mags on hand. If you're going to do something more, an AR pistol with extra mags would be more practical. Quicker and way less frequent reloads.
Myself, I'd choose something like a glock 17/19 and keep a stash of 33rd mags on hand in the car. Possibly carbine that uses the Glock mags as well if I really thought things might escalate.
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Originally Posted by
flejl
I am not sure if this is the correct place or not.
First thing, I do have a valid PA LTCF.
Unfortunatley, I have the need to travel into Philly to take my wife for medical care not available locally. Having had the bad fortune of her discharge from the hospital coming shortly after a scheduled shutdown of the PA Turnpike for over night construction, we were foreced to travel through North Philly around 1AM in the morning, let me just say that was "a bit concerning" since due ot medical reasons my wife's mobility was very limited.......
First of all...best luck to you and your wife. Congrats on taking steps to upgrade your defenses, and remember that no matter which option you choose it's better to be tried by 12 etc....whatever it takes to protect your wife. And find another route!!
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Originally Posted by
buxbandit
First of all...best luck to you and your wife. Congrats on taking steps to upgrade your defenses, and remember that no matter which option you choose it's better to be tried by 12 etc....whatever it takes to protect your wife. And find another route!!
What About a glock with a micro roni and 33rd mags?
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Originally Posted by
icp4life162005
What About a glock with a micro roni and 33rd mags?
https://youtu.be/aW_6LmVNLx0
That works best with a G18:D
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R L Suehr
I know and I want one! Lol
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Originally Posted by
icp4life162005
I know and I want one! Lol
It's a hoot to shoot. It has a ridiculously high cyclic rate though. I can't imagine trying to control it in just pistol form. The Roni kit gives it a controllable feel. Definitely grin inducing though.
https://youtu.be/PcPX71fZZRc
I shot the mcx full auto the same day. You can hear the difference in the cyclic rate. Way easier to keep on target than the 18.
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Here is another thread with bad conflicting information. Everything I've read says that concealing a shockwave or similar "title 1 firearm" "on the person" changes it to a title 2 AOW irregardless of PA laws and LTCF definitions. Now what "on the person" means who the hell knows. Attached to me either under a coat or in a bookbag on my back? Or is in a violin case carried by hand not "on the person"?
The ATF had previously stated that using something like an arm brace in a manner in which it was not designed does not automatically change it into a stock so you would assume that this would apply to other instances of misusing something. However http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/u...ATF-3-2-17.pdf states that "if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change".
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