Political Terrorism - Harrisburg Edition - 242 Amendments to Pro-Gun Bill

Got this email from Kim Stolfer chairman of FOAC on Sept 27, 2016


Political Terrorism - Harrisburg Edition - 242 Amendments to Pro-Gun Bill

Friends,


I try not to burden you with a lot of e-mails but this one is significant. As you may know we have been working to advance pro-gun legislation in Harrisburg and are on the cusp of two of our issues being addressed, finally!


These bills involve preemption (HB 2258 & SB 1330) and semi-auto firearms for hunting (SB 737) and are all keyed up and ready to go EXCEPT we are being held hostage by anti-gunners and money and ‘apathy’ among our ranks!


We are being blocked by a concerted effort from anti-gun groups through their minions of evil (anti-gun legislators) in a historic show of abuse of the political process. HB 2258 has had 242 amendments filed AGAINST it and this is a record!. SB 737 has had 19 amendments filed against it. The end goal is to force leadership to pull the bills from consideration.


We are being terrorized by a small group of misfits in and outside of the legislature who are abusing the process to stymie legislation that has overwhelming support.


Republican Leadership AND Democrat Leadership need to be united in opposition to these tactics! Contact information, including phone ‘and’ e-mail address, for Republican and Democrat leadership is available at the links below:

Republican & Democrat Leadership Contact Info (from the FOAC website):
Speaker of the House – Rep. Michael Turzai
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/451

House Majority Leader – Rep. Dave Reed
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/415

House Majority Whip – Bryan Cutler
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/289

House Minority Leader – Frank Dermody
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/301

House Minority Whip – Michael Hanna
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/336

Also, PLEASE contact your PA State House Member today as well!! If you don’t know who that is then click the link below to search using your address for your legislators.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...ourlegislator/

I’m laying this in your laps because gun owners are faced with an ugly reality! IF we do not get more of our friends and family involved and calling their legislators and leadership of BOTH parties then I fear our ability to get ANYTHING passed will be impossible. What is even more critical is that the NEXT step for them is to force anti-gun legislation to be passed or these political whores will shut down work on other bills.


I’m sorry but I have done everything I can think of and have been warning you of this coming evolution of the political process for a while. Well it is HERE now. Either get involved now or plan on PA becoming New Jersey in the not too distant future and prepare to surrender your firearms because what is going on now is ONLY going to get worse!


Sorry for the bad news but I’m NOT going to sugar coat the dire situation we are in!


Thanks for reading this far!

Thank you for considering this important message!
Yours in Freedom,
Kim Stolfer
FOAC, President
www.foac-pac.org



SB 737 read PAFOA thread here on supporting effort for passage
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=276039

HB 2258 & SB 1330 read PAFOA thread here
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=309978
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=305751




Update

Guys,

I just found out that SB 1330 (Preemption) has 9 amendments filed against it right now from anti-gunners like Farnese.

We need to call all the Senators we can to get them to deal with these amendments by either ruling them as not germane ‘or’ voting on them and then move the bill.

I’m going back to the phones now.

Kim Stolfer
FOAC, President

Arrogant Anti-Gun Legislators Derailing PA Legislative Process

I try not to burden you with a lot of e-mails but this one is significant. As you may know we have been working to advance pro-gun legislation in Harrisburg and are on the cusp of two of our issues being addressed, finally!

These bills involve preemption (HB 2258 & SB 1330) and semi-auto firearms for hunting (SB 737) and are all keyed up and ready to go EXCEPT we are being held hostage by anti-gunners and money and ‘apathy’ among our ranks!

We are being blocked by a concerted effort from anti-gun groups through their minions of evil (anti-gun legislators) in a historic show of abuse of the political process. HB 2258 has had 242 amendments filed AGAINST it and this is a record. SB 737 has had 19 amendments filed against it. The end goal is to force leadership to pull the bills from consideration.

We are being "terrorized by a small group of misfits" in and outside of the legislature who are abusing the process to stymie legislation that has overwhelming support. Republican Leadership AND Democrat Leadership need to be united in opposition to these tactics! Contact information, including phone ‘and’ e-mail address, for Republican and Democrat leadership is available at the links below:

Republican & Democrat Leadership Contact Info (from the FOAC website):

Speaker of the House – Rep. Michael Turzai
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/451

House Majority Leader – Rep. Dave Reed
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/415

House Majority Whip – Bryan Cutler
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/289

House Minority Leader – Frank Dermody
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/301

House Minority Whip – Michael Hanna
https://foac-pac.org/PA-Legislator-Details/336

Also, PLEASE contact your PA State House Member today as well!! If you don’t know who that is then click the link below to search using your address for your legislators.

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...ourlegislator/

I’m laying this in your laps because gun owners are faced with an ugly reality! IF we do not get more of our friends and family involved and calling their legislators and leadership of BOTH parties then I fear our ability to get ANYTHING passed will be impossible.

I'll get this out in the shop's newsletter.

The list of amendments and their sponsors was just made available by American Gun Owners Alliance: http://amgoa.org/pdfs/Amendments-to-HB2258.pdf

Can we not do the same thing to everything they try to do? All it takes is the balls to do it.

Good post White Feather. I just saw the email from FOAC.

Let's go guys. Time to hit the phones and emails.

Also can we be sure to vote out the scumbags doing this?

Greetings,

First, thanks to Kim for the heads up and Josh for the info below.

Geez!!!! 421 pages of the most anti-firearm amendments I've ever seen in one place! Before I try to read the entire thing, does anyone have a list of those legislators that submitted all of this crap?

We need to go on full attack, with a HEAVY load out. This is NUTS! I'll be on the phone tomorrow to all of our allies in State gov and will report back anything I learn..... BUT, we've got to find a way to put and end to this OR play the same game and shut the entire damn STATE down.

Regards, Jim

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Originally Posted by SigForLife

The list of amendments and their sponsors was just made available by American Gun Owners Alliance: http://amgoa.org/pdfs/Amendments-to-HB2258.pdf

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Greetings,

OK, I'm only up to page 87 out of 421. The antis have thrown the kitchen sink of wish lists at the House version of the pre-preemption bill. Here are some very short descriptions and the list of the names of the sponsors. It runs from page 1 to page 87 (I'm getting to tired and pissed off to continue on tonight):

The Wish List:

License to purchase a firearm, Additional Mental Health restrictions, Mandatory Registration of all firearms in City of 1st class, Sale and Transfer Restrictions, Penalties for Carry w/ BAC .08%, Firearm Restraining Order (by anyone who wants to), ? gun shows, further school property restrictions, Sever penalties for criminal use of a stolen gun to the victim of the theft, etc, etc, etc..

The enemies:

Kinsey
Acosta
Boyle
Thomas
O'Brian
Dean
Santora *, I think this must be Steve Santaserio; the amendment sounds like his anti gun show/long and shot gun require a 4473 bill.
Kirkland

If anyone else wants to pick up there, I'll log back on tomorrow and keep working through the amendment list. Pretty sure there will be a lot more good stuff to follow. I guess in short is they absolutely do NOT want either preemption bill or semi auto hunting (or any other pro firearm/hunting bill) passed this session and intend to amend them to the point where we give up and drop any bills favorable to our side. Or accept some amendments (NO WAY!) to pass them?

It would seem this is a deceleration of war and they have thrown down the gauntlet. What's now been proven (not that there was much doubt) are who the true enemies of freedom are in PA and how seriously they intend to stake their position.

As I noted in my previous post, I'll see what info I can get tomorrow from our allies in the House and Senate.

What's our best move at this point?

Regards, Jim

I hit 'em all. Thanks for posting.

In the legislative history it says HB 2258 has been removed from the table. Does that mean it's dead for now?

I will contact my legislator and senator.

Merged two threads.

Noah

Can someone explain exactly what we should ask the house leadership to do? Can they run it without amendments? Can they just hold an immediate vote on each amendment? Is there some other procedure to get these bills cleanly to the floor?

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Originally Posted by Gripsafety

Can someone explain exactly what we should ask the house leadership to do? Can they run it without amendments? Can they just hold an immediate vote on each amendment? Is there some other procedure to get these bills cleanly to the floor?

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Yes, tell them to run the bill without ANY amendments

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Originally Posted by SigForLife

Yes, tell them to run the bill without ANY amendments

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Good to know, I called yesterday. Of course I got mostly VM but still left a message

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Originally Posted by SigForLife

Yes, tell them to run the bill without ANY amendments

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Thanks, emails sent and phone calls made.

Thank you to the guys on the front line in Harrisburg and to those who support them.

Greetings,

Had an early call out today and just got in. So, sorry but no info from any of our Reps. As previously suggested, I believe the best advice when contacting your House Reps are to request they vote on it "clean" with NO amendments.

Also (and perhaps now very important), there is a very similar Senate bill; S-1330. I received a note to look into the amendment to it from Sen John Eichelberger. It is supposed to be good for us, but I've not read it yet. Here is a link to the text of S-1330, not sure if it includes anything additional yet.


http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/...r=1330&pn=1978


I'd suspect the antis will start to try and load it up just as they did with the House bill, but we may have more support in the Senate to try for a "clean" vote.

Keep up the good work everyone! I'll definitely get time for the phone tomorrow and post any info I can get on any of our bills. Sucks when work gets in the way of activism.

Regards, Jim

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Originally Posted by jim-analog

Greetings,

Also (and perhaps now very important), there is a very similar Senate bill; S-1330. I received a note to look into the amendment to it from Sen John Eichelberger. It is supposed to be good for us, but I've not read it yet. Here is a link to the text of S-1330, not sure if it includes anything additional yet.


[url]http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=PDF&sessYr=2015&sessInd=0&bill Body=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=1330&pn=1978[/url

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Yes, SB 1330 is actually better than HB 2258

If you can spend 15 minutes updating your fantasy football league (or whatever), but you can't take the same amount of time to contact your reps, you should reconsider your priorities.

Freedom isn't free.

I don't see the amendments listed on the legislature website.
Where did the pdf come from?

I see the bill has been removed from the table.
I reviewed the pdf amendments.
This has Bloomberg written all over it.
It looks like Bloomberg staffers cut and pasted every anti-gun law from CA, NJ, NY, etc into the bill, then funneled it through the anti-gun reps.
I can do a summary of the anti-gun amendments, but it's probably better just to call reps and ask for a clean bill with no amendments.
I bet most of these amendments were not even looked at by the reps that sponsored them.
They are just loaded on to prevent the bill passage.

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Originally Posted by Berncly

I don't see the amendments listed on the legislature website.
Where did the pdf come from?

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The list of amendments was compiled by FOAC who got them directly from Harrisburg

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Originally Posted by Tootie

The list of amendments was compiled by FOAC who got them directly from Harrisburg

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My thanks to FOAC, they do great work.

Emails sent---all the stuff going on in this world and they have to keep "pulling this BS". Yeah---no one wants to take your guns. At some point we need to sue these turds for not upholding their oath of upholding the PA Constitution..

Form letter to Senators and Reps on NRA-ILA site.

https://act.nraila.org/default.aspx?...nsylvania#idma

September 29, 2016

Dear Senator

As your constituent, I respectfully urge you to support Senator Eichelberger's amendment to Senate Bill 1330 and the final passage of the bill.

Gun owners continue to be unduly burdened by local ordinances which violate the current state firearm preemption law. Citizens with no criminal intent should not be placed in jeopardy of running afoul of local restrictions they don't even know exist simply because they have crossed from one municipality to another. SB 1330, if again enacted into law, would strengthen Pennsylvania's firearms preemption law to further ensure firearm and ammunition laws are consistent throughout the state.

Once again, I urge you to please support Senator Eichelberger's amendment to SB 1330 and the final passage of the bill. Thank you.

Greetings,

I'd started to list all the issues and sponsors on page 1 of this thread, though I only made it up to page 87 of 421. It looks to me like each of the amendments is one of the previously submitted (and failed) anti bills from the entire 2 year session. SO, they dumped every darn one into either killing the House preemption bill OR attempting to get us to compromise and pass it with some of their more "important" poison pills.

I've requested my Reps to either get it voted "clean" or drop it. No replies back from any yet, but I'll be calling later on today to try and get a better idea of where their heads are (our side). Please also remember to contact your State Senator re SB-1330, with the Eichelberger amendment ONLY. Thanks!

Regards, Jim

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Originally Posted by Berncly

I see the bill has been removed from the table.
I reviewed the pdf amendments.
This has Bloomberg written all over it.
It looks like Bloomberg staffers cut and pasted every anti-gun law from CA, NJ, NY, etc into the bill, then funneled it through the anti-gun reps.
I can do a summary of the anti-gun amendments, but it's probably better just to call reps and ask for a clean bill with no amendments.
I bet most of these amendments were not even looked at by the reps that sponsored them.
They are just loaded on to prevent the bill passage.

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Here are both form letters to Senators and Reps on NRA-ILA site (just for convenience).

https://act.nraila.org/default.aspx?...nsylvania#idma

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For Senators-

September 29, 2016

Dear Senator

As your constituent, I respectfully urge you to support Senator Eichelberger's amendment to Senate Bill 1330 and the final passage of the bill.

Gun owners continue to be unduly burdened by local ordinances which violate the current state firearm preemption law. Citizens with no criminal intent should not be placed in jeopardy of running afoul of local restrictions they don't even know exist simply because they have crossed from one municipality to another. SB 1330, if again enacted into law, would strengthen Pennsylvania's firearms preemption law to further ensure firearm and ammunition laws are consistent throughout the state.

Once again, I urge you to please support Senator Eichelberger's amendment to SB 1330 and the final passage of the bill. Thank you.

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For Reps-

September 29, 2016

Dear Representative

As your constituent, I respectfully urge you to support House Bill 2258 with Senator Eichelberger's amendment.

Gun owners continue to be unduly burdened by local ordinances which violate the current state firearm preemption law. Citizens with no criminal intent should not be placed in jeopardy of running afoul of local restrictions they don`t even know exist simply because they have crossed from one municipality to another. HB 2258, if again enacted into law, would strengthen Pennsylvania's firearms preemption law to further ensure firearm and ammunition laws are consistent throughout the state.

Once again, I urge you to please support HB 2258 with Senator Eichelberger's amendment. Thank you.

Used the link, sent the letters.

I sent this out on the 27th.

https://app.robly.com/archive?id=750...c40505c4780ce9

Thanks to the NRA-ILA for making it so simple to contact your legislators. You can also add your own text to the email as well.

Maybe we should not wait until May 2017 to visit the State Legislature again.

Before blindly supporting Senator Eichelberger's amendment, while well intentioned, consider the implications that someone criminally prosecuted under an unlawful ordinance would not seemingly be entitled to attorney fees, as the individual could not provide 30 days notice. Also, consider when is the last time you were provided 30 days notice before you could be sued for a violation of law...

Greetings,

Josh, thanks for this statement. I was echoing the NRA-ILA in regards to support of this amendment. You're right though, we should not support anything blindly. I just spent about 20 minutes trying to find the text of the amendment with no success. Can you possibly provide a link to it? Thanks much!

Regards, Jim

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Originally Posted by SigForLife

Before blindly supporting Senator Eichelberger's amendment, while well intentioned, consider the implications that someone criminally prosecuted under an unlawful ordinance would not seemingly be entitled to attorney fees, as the individual could not provide 30 days notice. Also, consider when is the last time you were provided 30 days notice before you could be sued for a violation of law...

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I was able to procure a copy of the amendment, which you can download here - http://wp.me/a1PK55-2gD.

While I was told that it was intended to make it identical to the version that was enacted with ACT 192, there are a few, generally minor, other changes. HOWEVER, the one additional provision, which was not part of Act 192, is a 30 notice requirement in order to be entitled to "reasonable expenses" which includes damages and attorney fees. While I am not vehemently opposed to this (although, when is the last time that you or I had 30 days to change our conduct in order not to have damages assessed against us?), my greater concern is that this provision assumes that all challenges would be in a civil context. What about where charges are brought for a putative violation of a municipal regulation that regulated firearms and ammunition? You can't provide the 30 days notice because you have no control over the charging. It would appear that someone who is successful in challenging such a charging would not be entitled to attorney fees. Either, further amendments are necessary or the original text of SB 1330 needs to remain, IMO.

Greetings,

Thanks very much Josh! IMO, we should request a "clean" vote, with no amendments as opposed to trying to get more stuff added in that could have multiple meanings/interpretations.

I'll update my Senator, everyone please consider this when asking for support on SB-1330.

Regards, Jim

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Originally Posted by SigForLife

I was able to procure a copy of the amendment, which you can download here - http://wp.me/a1PK55-2gD.

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