Another annoying hypothetical

[GunLawyer001]

There will come a time when we talk about $400 AK's the way we now talk about $1,000 transferable M-16's.

Of course, we'll be talking about them on a water break while harvesting soybeans at the Obama Political Reeducation Farm for Uncooperative Comrades, so a lot of this will be moot. This would be a good time to study up on how to unlock ankle chains using a twisted piece of rusty barbed wire; now THAT'S going to be a handy skill to have.

[Ronnies111]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

I don't really understand the point behind a high end AK. Might as well be getting a high end garbage truck..

That's a little rough on the guy with a honest Question!
The original Kalashnikov AK's are as tough as they come. My friend had one he left in trunk & litterally forgot it. A couple years later the car had been parked & didn't run. We raised the trunk lid & the bolt was rusted solid & would not move. He took a hammer & beat the bolt lose & it already had a loaded mag in it. He racked it not even a miss fire ran like new the original Kalashnikov is amazing. It's was built for mud & shit & war it does not fail The original now not a clone! All third world's use mostly AK's , they are cheaper there but they work & it's almost impossible to STOP FUNCTION . Their were d they designed for sand & abuse they stand up & fire under the worst conditions or AR 15's my favorite, I have 4 all in different configuration's
PS: When he broke the bolt lose with a hammer he did not lube it & shot like it was ready for war...TRUE STOREY...do some research on the original Kalashnikov! ONLY They will not come cheap an AR will certianly be cheaper.

[Skullz]

KRISS Super V - in the SBR config, though.

[ReconLdr]

Originally Posted by ungawa

Sell one of your AKs, buy the AK you want and a second handgun.

^^^What he said^^^ Just get the new handgun in .45ACP to stay within your criteria.

[Enfielder]

Someone (Synergy?) posted an article by "some expert" explaining how important high capacity is when all hell breaks loose; being able to fire (about) twice as many rounds without a mag change. It makes sense. If you're carrying around the house do want 7+1 or 13+1 without having to haul an extra mag. And if you have ONE extra mag with you, so much the better with a high cap. Get a high cap .45 (me, I'm standardized on .40 S&W with G22 + Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that uses the same mags)

I've invested in the AR platform, but AK is fine for SHTF maybe better for TEOTWAWKI

[General Geoff]

Originally Posted by Ronnies111

That's a little rough on the guy with a honest Question!
The original Kalashnikov AK's are as tough as they come. My friend had one he left in trunk & litterally forgot it. A couple years later the car had been parked & didn't run. We raised the trunk lid & the bolt was rusted solid & would not move. He took a hammer & beat the bolt lose & it already had a loaded mag in it. He racked it not even a miss fire ran like new the original Kalashnikov is amazing. It's was built for mud & shit & war it does not fail The original now not a clone! All third world's use mostly AK's , they are cheaper there but they work & it's almost impossible to STOP FUNCTION . Their were d they designed for sand & abuse they stand up & fire under the worst conditions or AR 15's my favorite, I have 4 all in different configuration's
PS: When he broke the bolt lose with a hammer he did not lube it & shot like it was ready for war...TRUE STOREY...do some research on the original Kalashnikov! ONLY They will not come cheap an AR will certianly be cheaper.

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, here. I don't deny that AKs are weapons of war, and are utterly reliable under some of the worst neglect and conditions on the planet.

That doesn't mean they aren't cheap, simple, ugly rifles. Spending twice the money on an AK nets you what? It's not likely to be more durable or reliable, nor is it likely to be any more accurate or pretty. With the AK, there is a point of diminishing returns, which occurs right after the "it works" mark.

[Kb! Bob]

Originally Posted by General Geoff

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, here. I don't deny that AKs are weapons of war, and are utterly reliable under some of the worst neglect and conditions on the planet.

That doesn't mean they aren't cheap, simple, ugly rifles. Spending twice the money on an AK nets you what? It's not likely to be more durable or reliable, nor is it likely to be any more accurate or pretty. With the AK, there is a point of diminishing returns, which occurs right after the "it works" mark.

OK. Being somewhat new to this I can't entirely disagree with this. So my question for you, and the group, is this: Is a really nice AK worth the money? Should I spend my $1k on a top shelfer with a couple mags, or just hand pick a nice Wasr and get the Glock 21 on top of it?? For comparison sake, my nicest AK right now is a Yugo M70b1 (fixed stock) built on a DCI reciever. I like it a lot. How much nicer would, say, a Krebs Custom rifle be?


Also, argue with this logic: An extra magazine makes my carry gun a Glock 21, but no amount of anything will turn a handgun into an AK47. True?

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by Kb! Bob

OK. Being somewhat new to this I can't entirely disagree with this. So my question for you, and the group, is this: Is a really nice AK worth the money? Should I spend my $1k on a top shelfer with a couple mags, or just hand pick a nice Wasr and get the Glock 21 on top of it?? For comparison sake, my nicest AK right now is a Yugo M70b1 (fixed stock) built on a DCI reciever. I like it a lot. How much nicer would, say, a Krebs Custom rifle be?

That's easy, a rifle plus a pistol beats a rifle.

Get a cheap AK, one without a crooked front sight. Maybe swap out the FCG for a decent Tapco set. As long as it goes "BANG" every time, and you can hit a man-sized target at 50 yards (especially with 30 chances), a cheap AK will serve the same role as a higher-end AK. A stamped receiver will work like a milled one. For fun and defensive uses, being able to hit a quarter at 100 yards has limited utility, unless very tiny men are shooting at you from 100 yards away.

For the same money, I'd rather have a rifle and a backup gun than just the rifle.

I'm a little biased, I have trouble recalling examples of self-defense that involved distances greater than 50 yards. And if the SHTH, there will be unclaimed rifles in abundance, probably new, recently imported, selective-fire rifles, with authentic web gear and slightly damaged uniforms.

[General Geoff]

If you're after a 7.62x39 rifle, just get the WASR and spend the remainder on the Glock.

[Kb! Bob]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

That's easy, a rifle plus a pistol beats a rifle.

Get a cheap AK, one without a crooked front sight. Maybe swap out the FCG for a decent Tapco set. As long as it goes "BANG" every time, and you can hit a man-sized target at 50 yards (especially with 30 chances), a cheap AK will serve the same role as a higher-end AK. A stamped receiver will work like a milled one. For fun and defensive uses, being able to hit a quarter at 100 yards has limited utility, unless very tiny men are shooting at you from 100 yards away.

For the same money, I'd rather have a rifle and a backup gun than just the rifle.

I'm a little biased, I have trouble recalling examples of self-defense that involved distances greater than 50 yards. And if the SHTH, there will be unclaimed rifles in abundance, probably new, recently imported, selective-fire rifles, with authentic web gear and slightly damaged uniforms.

Thats pretty good stuff right there!! I do see your point; if MOA accuracy was the main goal, then an AK wouldn't be the main tool. Interesting....