Applying the safety during holstering...

[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by Asterix909

Interesting... I am having trouble fully understanding the draw you explain though...
I will need to read it closer once I am at home and able to examine the process. but I guess part of my concern on the topic of this digression is that your draw does not account for when you have only one hand available. I'd be worried about the situation where only my weak side hand is available, drawing from my strong side (so not really cross draw but... drawing across)

That's a different draw altogether, one employed during a rather rare emergency situation and as such, was not addressed by my post. Most people that I’ve seen carrying couldn’t even access their gun if they could not use their strong side hand to get the gun out of the holster. Be that as it may, if you’re gun has an ambidextrous safety, the point is moot, the “trigger hand” thumb still sweeps the area where the safety would be and disengages one if it is there or ends up resting on the grip area where it should be if one is not.

The point is that if you draw with either hand (singularly or in a two-handed grip) as if there were a safety there, you will disengage every safety you encounter (aside from the rare exception of a weak hand draw without an ambidextrous safety or the few guns that have safeties located elsewhere or move in a different direction) while doing no harm to the gun or your draw if there isn't one present. On the inverse, if you draw a gun as if there were no safety out of habit, your 1911 just became a paperweight no matter which hand you’ve used. Draw every gun as if it were a 1911 and you’re good to go for most situations as far as safeties are concerned.

However, guns that have the safety mounted elsewhere or models where the levers move upwards to disengage become an issue if one wants to carry with the safety engaged. If I were carrying a DA/SA gun that had the safety mounted on the slide or had to be swept up to take off, I'd carry in DA with the safety off, but I'd still draw as if I were drawing a 1911. Even with guns like the Beretta/Baby Eagle and such, a grip that automatically sweeps the safety spot on a 1911 still accounts for more guns than one that doesn't. But that's just my take on it.

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[Asterix909]

Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

Yes. People holster revolvers every day that have no manual safety. A heavy double action pull is all they have. Get over the fear.....but, nonetheless, always be vigilant when holstering.

heh, my m&p9 has no manual safety and I holster it without much problem. I suppose I could say I was forced to break that fear early on and now it is no issue. Of course, my m&p is in a crossbreed supertuck with a 'hard' form... so its a lot easier to just guide her in without undue caution.

I actually carry the Taurus in an uncle mike's iwb (hold the tomatoes! I actually find it pretty comfortable...), but it does not hold its form against the pressures of being squished between me and my belt. So thats where the possibly undue fear comes in. Superstitiously, safely guiding it in is not enough, making me want to take extra precaution... I guess I can just get over it like I did with the m&p... just practice cold a lot when at home, and eventually it will lose it's scariness.

Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

The grip/draw he is talking about[...snip...]
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Originally Posted by NineseveN

That's a different draw altogether, [...snip...] you’re good to go for most situations as far as safeties are concerned.

I guess out of practicality I should practice drawing that way regardless of whether I carry with the safety engaged or not- it seems to make sense to me. That way I am not stuck into the mold of handling only my weapons and I can easily transfer my knowledge to other situations that may not meet the criteria I'd like.

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[NineseveN]

Originally Posted by Asterix909

I actually carry the Taurus in an uncle mike's iwb (hold the tomatoes! I actually find it pretty comfortable...)

You won't get any slop from me, when I first started carrying my first handguns (Springfield XD, Steyr M9, Walther P99, HK USP), 2 without any manual safety, I used an Uncle Mike's sidekick soft holster....super comfortable, just not very secure.

[stephpd]

Originally Posted by TonyF

You need to clarify your pistols trigger system in order for forum members to advise you. Nobody can make heads or tails regarding whether the Millenium is a SA or DA/SA and whether or not the "safety" is a true manual safety or if it is a frame mounted decocker.

It appears to me to be some kind of hybrid re: a DA/SA trigger with a frame mounted manual safety that also doubles as a decocker such as is found on their beretta clone.

If I am correct then you should treat the Millenium as a conventional DA/SA autoloader.

1. Decock.

2. Position the "safety/decocker" back to the "fire" position.

3. Holster.

Disengaging the safety / decocker after holstering is a habit that will eventually result in a negligent discharge when carrying your 1911 clone.

The answer to your original question is "no" to mechanical issues and "yes" with regard to safety protocol.

I'm assuming that it's a 3rd generation PT111. It's described as a SA/DA. With one in the chamber it's single action for every shot unless a light strike. Then it acts like a DA for second strike capability. Earlier PT111's were DAO. It all depends on which generation gun he owns.

The slide lock on the Mil pro's are very similar to the 1911's. Makes it impossible to fire if the trigger is pulled, unless there is a mechanical failure.

No decocker feature. Only the newer OSS and later guns offer a decock feature. Some have tried to decock by pulling the slide back 1/4" and pulling the trigger but that's just crazy, but the only way to make it a DA trigger.

[Asterix909]

You are correct. I have a 3rd gen.
It is SA/DA with no decocker. I do not ever mess around with attempting to decock it. Now that I think of it, I don't think I have ever shot it in DA mode (w round in chamber)... Regardless, the trigger pull is rather long either way.

I've never had to utilize the double strike feature, but I guess it is nice to have just in case... but I can imagine myself executing a jam clear if I ever did have a bad strike in which I would cycle the slide anyways... I have experienced too few (*cough* like, none *cough*) real jams or misfeeds or light strikes, etc., to be able to reliably identify the issue and self practiced issues are known from the get-go, and I don't often have someone around able to create unknown issues for me to ID and work out.
So, due to lack of better experience and or skill its just rack and tap for me...