Applying the safety during holstering...

[Asterix909]

Originally Posted by Yoder

OK let me get this straight, you are putting your finger inside the trigger gaurd with a loaded gun while holstering it with the safety off? If you do this under pressure you will probably shoot yourself. If your gun has a safety it should be on until you are pointed in a direction to destroy something.

oiy...

ok. Time to re-emphasize my point:
Number one,
I am not here to discuss having the safety on or off during normal carry. That debate is moot, since my main carry gun HAS NO EXTERNAL SAFETY so stop wasting your breath. Go soapbox in a 'Carry with safety on or off?' argument thread; I am sure search will find you plenty.

Number two,
I am primarily asking

if there is anything inherently dangerous, bad for the hardware, or risky in holstering with the safety engaged, then flicking it off once the gun is seated.

in reference to the action of disengaging the safety while holstered NOT in reference to carrying with no safety engaged (see point Number one above).

Number three, which I can't hold against anyone for not understanding, since I didn't specify this in my previous posts:
I have never, and plan to never, be(en) involved in a "stressful situation" during which I need to holster my firearm. As such, my question is regarding the action of holstering my weapon in the safety and calm of my home, or other such locations. Just like I draw my weapon differently to stow, I holster it differently for normal carry.

Number four,
(this one may seem familiar) I am not here to discuss having the safety on or off during carry. I am only discussing the process of holstering my weapon, and the possibly mechanical dangers or safety dangers that may, or may not, be present during the action of disengaging the safety while the weapon is holstered.

[hzox221]

The safety is there for a reason. If you have a cheap holster, then it is very possible to engage the trigger while holstering and drawing the firearm.

[Asterix909]

Originally Posted by hzox221

The safety is there for a reason. If you have a cheap holster, then it is very possible to engage the trigger while holstering and drawing the firearm.

I agree 50% with half of that. That is why I superstitiously holster with my safety on.
The half comes from the fact that there is physically no way a weapon's trigger can be engaged during the process of a draw. The direction of the weapon movement is reverse to that required for the trigger to depress.

The 50% comes from the fact that no matter how much you'd like, you will have little luck in getting the external safety to stay engaged on my m&p9. it has no external safety. Therefore, whether you like it or not, 'The safety is not there for a reason' on many weapons.

[stephpd]

I also have a PT-111 as well as a PT-145. True they aren't 1911's but have a similar slide safety. Seeing how you don't want to get into any discussion on the use of it except while holstering I won't. Whether you keep the gun in condition 0 or condition 1 is up to you.

But I do have a problem with you keeping your finger inside the trigger guard. That's an accident waiting to happen.

But it seems like you really don't want advice but somebody to tell you it's OK. Do with what you will, but be forewarned.

[Asterix909]

Originally Posted by stephpd

I also have a PT-111 as well as a PT-145. True they aren't 1911's but have a similar slide safety. Seeing how you don't want to get into any discussion on the use of it except while holstering I won't. Whether you keep the gun in condition 0 or condition 1 is up to you.

yes.

Originally Posted by stephpd

But I do have a problem with you keeping your finger inside the trigger guard. That's an accident waiting to happen.

As do I. Its a good thing we agree. But I am being sarcastic here, as it is apparent you failed to read my original post properly.

Originally Posted by stephpd

But it seems like you really don't want advice but somebody to tell you it's OK. Do with what you will, but be forewarned.

I am starting to get frustrated. At what point did I refuse the advice of someone speaking relevant to my post? So far I have had two people misinterpret the pt111 as a 1911 style handgun, and all have continued to discuss carrying with safety engaged or not. None of these topics are relevant to my post. If I make a post asking about apple pie recipes, and I ignore when someone tells me that its safe to wear a seatbelt, is that me not wanting "advice but somebody to tell you it's OK?"

I highly suggest you re-read my original post and disregard the other posters int his thread. Come up with your own original answer to my question. I will quote it again, for the third time.

if there is anything inherently dangerous, bad for the hardware, or risky in holstering with the safety engaged, then flicking it off once the gun is seated.

Notice how it mentions nothing about me wanting or desiring or advocating putting a finger anywhere near a trigger? I will re-quote myself again on that subject just to be clear:

I did start placing my finger behind the trigger in such a way that it would prevent the trigger from moving during the holster motion. Pretty quickly (like, right away) I caught myself doing this and realized this was probably not very safe... If done carelessly my finger could end up in the wrong spot, and again, under a near impossible set of circumstances I could engage the trigger myself.

Please indicate which part of that statement displayed my eagerness to put my finger near the trigger?
I figured these two points would have cleared this up:

Pretty quickly (like, right away) [...] realized this was probably not very safe

As such, during practice my discover of potentially dangerous situations lead me to inquire about the original superstition that I have the safety engaged during the process of holstering.

So please, before assuming I "don't want advice but somebody to tell you it's OK" and thus not providing the advice, I suggest you provide the advice, then discover if your assumption holds true.


EDIT:
I suppose I can repose my question to clear things up:

With regards to safety and/or mechanical reliability,
is there any difference between holstering a Taurus Pt111 with the safety engaged, then disengaging it while holstered, compared to holstering with the safety disengaged form the start.

[S&WM&P40]

I guess your m&p doesn't have the mag safety? My 40 does and I am somewhat worried like you when reholstering since i always carry ready to fire. I just pop out my magazine and holster the gun then put the magazine back in. As long as the weapong is not moving up and down in the holster it should be ok.

[stephpd]

There is no harm, ever, to the gun in turning the slide lock off.

[falcn]

Turning the safety off when the gun is holstered isn't going to harm your gun in any way - otherwise turning your safety off when the gun is out of the holster is going to do the same damage to the gun.

Edit: I'm not going to get into whether you should leave it on or off in the holster.

[FNG19]

Originally Posted by Asterix909

Realizing it was probably silly that I holstered with the safety on like that, and imagining some (more) experienced firearm handlers chuckling at me,

I'll leave it to other people to talk about the rest of your post, but I want to focus on this. I don't care if the spirit of John Moses Browning himself laughs at you. When it comes to safety, if you're doing something that makes sense and is done to improve safe handling (and actually does so!), don't ever let someone else's laughter dissuade you. I'd rather be the butt of the occasional joke than the subject of a coroner's report (or worse, a negligent homicide investigation).

As you gain experience, you'll learn what works and what doesn't. You'll pick up additional safety techniques that work for you and drop ones that don't. Always revisit what you're doing and keep your eyes (and ears!) open for new information and techniques. However, if you're self-sufficient enough to carry a firearm, you should be confident enough to know what's right for you. Keep an open mind, but not so open that it falls out the side of your head.

I'll let others criticize your techniques, but I wanted to address that one point.

[stephpd]

Originally Posted by falcn

Being that this is a long DA trigger I don't see how this is inherently more dangerous than my CW9 which has no external or mag safeties, just a long DA trigger pull.

The Taurus guns aren't DA unless of a light strike. With one in the chamber it's a very long light pull SA. Much different then all the DA/SA guns.