Glocks Are CRAP says Police

[BUCKMARK]

Originally Posted by FrankJL

If the .45 gap Glocks are such crap, how come our state troopers aren't missing fingers either?

That is the pistol they use too right?

This thread is still alive???

yes, Pa State Police Use the Glock .45 GAP, but keep in mind that Glock threw us the guns at insane prices with truck loads of replacement parts and tech support. they damn near gave the guns away.

Still, anyone that thinks Glocks are crap needs to put down the pipe and suck in a little clean oxygen. This comming from a S&W M&P guy.

[Ronnies111]

Originally Posted by fultonCoShooter

Haven Police Ditch Glocks After Two Explode
Two of 90 Glock Model 37 pistols blew up in separate training incidents a year apart.


WINTER HAVEN | The Police Department is ditching $38,000 worth of guns after two .45-caliber GAP Glock Model 37 pistols exploded in separate training incidents a year a part, causing minor injuries to an officer and a cadet.

"I've been around 34 years in law enforcement, and we've seen malfunctioning with guns, but never seen it explode," Police Chief Mark LeVine said.

"When I've got two guns out of 90 mess up, something's wrong."

The department has not had any problems with the guns during use in the line of duty.

The force of the explosions came down through the bottom of the guns and blew the triggers off, LeVine said.

Police Officer Frank Scianimanico, 32, and then-cadet Rodrique Jean-Louis, 20, suffered bruised fingers in the separate incidents.

As a result, the department will try an all-metal gun as a possible replacement for the plastic Glock during weapons testing Tuesday and March 20.

LeVine issued a memo Feb. 1 to his officers saying that if anyone was uncomfortable carrying the Glock they could carry a personal weapon instead, as long as the gun meets the department's requirements.

The department tried to work out a solution with Glock. The gun's Georgia-based manufacturer offered to swap out the nearly 2 1/2-year-old guns if the department paid the company $10,000.

But LeVine said that is unfair.

"I personally question if it should cost us anything at all," the chief said.

A Glock spokesman said the company is aware of the Winter Haven incidents, but hasn't had the opportunity to examine the guns yet.

"Without looking at the pistol, there's no way for us to make a determination," said Glock spokesman Carlos Guevara.



FIRST EXPLOSION

The first incident occurred in January 2007 when a Glock exploded while being used by Jean-Louis, a former cadet the department was sponsoring at the Polk Community College Kenneth C. Thompson Institute of Public Safety, which trains prospective police officers.

Department officials dismissed the incident as the fault of bad ammunition, and so did Glock.

The second incident, the one involving Scianiamancio, was this January during training at the department's shooting range at the Winter Haven Airport.

"We had another explode in the same fashion," LeVine said. "We've only got 90 guns, and two failed. It has caused a certain amount of uneasiness."

The issue seems to be with the gun, which only Glock makes, LeVine said.

The Polk County Sheriff's Office uses a different Glock, the .40-caliber Model 22 pistol, but there haven't been any incidents with it, said spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers.

The Sheriff's Office switched last year to the Glocks after using Smith & Wessons. The Glocks cost the agency $350 per gun, compared with $560 for the .45-caliber Smith & Wessons deputies were using.

"They're easier to fire, more accurate, and they hold more ammunition," Rodgers said.

Lake Alfred Police Chief Art Bodenheimer said he would never let his officers use a Glock after he saw a video demonstration of one being partially disassembled after being jammed.

His officers use Smith & Wessons instead, because it is an all-metal gun, compared to the plastic Glock, he said.

"I'm not a Glock enthusiast," Bodenheimer said.

The Winter Haven Police Department isn't the only one that has had problem with Glocks. At least two other law enforcement agencies have reported issues.

elsewhere in u.s.

Two .45-caliber Glock Model 21 pistols exploded in the hands of two officers at the Portland Police Department, according to a 2004 article in The Oregonian newspaper. That department then switched to 9 mm Glocks.

In 2006, The Oregonian reported an officer who was injured when his gun exploded filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against Glock and the ammunition manufacturer.

In Pennsylvania, a training officer with the Upper Darby Township Police Department said his department used to carry the Glock Model 21 before it started jamming.

The department is now testing a different model of Glock. "We can't get a reason why it keeps happening," he said.

Guevara said Glock's guns aren't defective, and malfunctioning incidents at other agencies are attributed to ammunition or maintenance of the guns.

And the fact that the Portland Police Department switched to a different Glock model is an indication of how good Glock guns are, Guevara said.

That's funny when I think about it because I've
always said I don't believe anything I hear &
only 1/2 of what I see. And pretty mush going
back to when Glocks'started to be a part of
everyday life as far as seeing them in all areas
of life. I always believed everything I read & heard
about them.

Now I'm still not saying I believe everything you've said
BUT I'll reserve my opinion & keep an ear on any more
such info I hear. Very interesting post though give us an
occasional update when they come available.

[synergy]

Originally Posted by Ronnies111

That's funny when I think about it because I've
always said I don't believe anything I hear &
only 1/2 of what I see. And pretty mush going
back to when Glocks'started to be a part of
everyday life as far as seeing them in all areas
of life. I always believed everything I read & heard
about them.

Now I'm still not saying I believe everything you've said
BUT I'll reserve my opinion & keep an ear on any more
such info I hear. Very interesting post though give us an
occasional update when they come available.

The problem was with the ammo...there are no updates to give.

Any gun can hurt you when it blows up, and they all can blow up...all of them.

[Tango Victor]

My two cents....If there is the possibility of a problem whether with the firearm or the ammo it serves us all well to be aware of it. People need to get over the fact it may concern their favorite weapon.

Being the owner of several brands of handguns I see at least one of them trashed on the various forums constantly. I don't let it bother me. Most of these guys probably have never shot, much less owned the weapon they are trashing. They are simply repeating something they have heard or read.

Guns are like anything else, I happen to prefer Fords over Toyotas and Harleys over Hondas. You may not, so what...They serve me well.

Shoot what you like and what works for you. But educate yourself and be aware of any potential problems.

[dman]

After reading all of these post,got me thinking,you wont like me when I'm thinking,but here it goes;
1-what is the preferd after-market barrel for Glocks.
2-what is the exact spec differenc in chamber dia. between the stock glock
and the after market.
3-hone the after market chamber to the same spec. as the stock chamber,
The reliability with the neede support,sometimes I scare myself !

What do ya think ?
PS. I've also got to change that stock recoil rod and spring,stainless,can't help myself !

[synergy]

Originally Posted by dman

After reading all of these post,got me thinking,you wont like me when I'm thinking,but here it goes;
1-what is the preferd after-market barrel for Glocks.
2-what is the exact spec differenc in chamber dia. between the stock glock
and the after market.
3-hone the after market chamber to the same spec. as the stock chamber,
The reliability with the neede support,sometimes I scare myself !

What do ya think ?
PS. I've also got to change that stock recoil rod and spring,stainless,can't help myself !

I think you should leave them the hell alone, and return recalled ammo when it gets recalled.

But what do I know.

[dman]

Originally Posted by synergy

I think you should leave them the hell alone, and return recalled ammo when it gets recalled.

But what do I know.

Dude,can't help myself,it's the curse,I got to,just can't help myself,Auurgh !!
Haf to do ,Haf to do it !Haf to,Haf to,Haf to,AUURG !! Haf to !!
Well,I gave 20 minutes of thought,I've got a little G 36 that I'm gonna invest in a Bar stow barrel and go meet with the local machinist.It may prove absolutely nothing but,it will look cool,what more can a man ask,maybe I should get into politics..??

[indianjack]

Originally Posted by synergy

The problem was with the ammo...there are no updates to give.

Any gun can hurt you when it blows up, and they all can blow up...all of them.

OK so what was the problem with the ammo? to hot? out of spec size wise? What else is there?

[synergy]

Originally Posted by indianjack

OK so what was the problem with the ammo? to hot? out of spec size wise? What else is there?

Did you read the whole thread here?

*hint:http://forum.pafoa.org/pistols-41/19...tml#post246284 (Glocks Are CRAP says Police)*

[RiverRat]

If Glocks were prone to exploding, my G20 with my home grown ammo would of gone ka-boom long ago!