Suggestions for a 380

[Mity2]

Originally Posted by dogngun

Suggestion for a .380?
Get a 9mm.

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I say.
Most people that gets .380 don't realize that eventho .380 is weaker round, straight blowback found on most all pistol chambered for .380 kicks alot more then people think - where as 9mm with locked breech type action makes 9mm's kick manageble, there for you'll pretty much end up with same level of recoil.
But .380 ammo cost twice as much as 9mm ammo.

but if you MUST get .380, i'd suggest Beretta 84F?

[Behler17]

Originally Posted by brian

i could wish for that .45 i have at home, or use the .380 that i WILL have in my pocket.

kudos to you for owning one but...why not just take the .45 instead of leaving it at home? they make them in 4" commanders or a 3" sub compact. since the 1911 platform is very slender in design both are easily stored on your person via IWB holsters or plain concealed holsters. my preference being my full size 5" operator in a SOB holster.

[brian]

Originally Posted by Behler17

kudos to you for owning one but...why not just take the .45 instead of leaving it at home? they make them in 4" commanders or a 3" sub compact. since the 1911 platform is very slender in design both are easily stored on your person via IWB holsters or plain concealed holsters. my preference being my full size 5" operator in a SOB holster.

200% concealment, 1000% of the time+comfort of carry, hard to beat a pants pocket for comfort.

[scoutjoe]

Originally Posted by Mity2

I say.

But .380 ammo cost twice as much as 9mm ammo.

What do you pay for a box of 9mm? I pay $13 ish for a box of 50 .380s

[synergy]

Originally Posted by Mity2

I say.
Most people that gets .380 don't realize that eventho .380 is weaker round, straight blowback found on most all pistol chambered for .380 kicks alot more then people think - where as 9mm with locked breech type action makes 9mm's kick manageble, there for you'll pretty much end up with same level of recoil.
But .380 ammo cost twice as much as 9mm ammo.

.380 is a specialty cartridge.

Avoid it unless you need it to fill a special purpose.

A lot of other people have made good points...it'll cost more, kick harder, do less, and generally fit in the same size package.

The P3AT is a bitch of a gun to shoot...I'm not shy about shooting big loud heavy recoiling guns, but the P3AT just hurts your hand.....the trigger pull is atrocious, as are the "sights". Shooting that gun is too much work.

The Walther PPK is a turd....except for the W. German made ones...they don't run reliably. No external slide stop, they double feed all the time...results in a gun that's REALLLLLY difficult to fix mid-gunfight. They're also quite heavy, and have a pretty sharp recoil pattern to them.

The Bersa...doesn't excite me... might be an ok choice.

The Sig P230/232...best .380 around...but there are softer kicking, cheaper, smaller 9mm's out there now.

The Beretta might be an ok choice too...provided we're still ignoring all of the other better options you have in 9mm.

[Behler17]

Originally Posted by brian

200% concealment, 1000% of the time+comfort of carry, hard to beat a pants pocket for comfort.

nice percentage figures you came up with. but riddle me this batman, other than wearing extremely baggy jeans how is it that you manage to carry in your pocket in public without printing? keeping in mind that those jnco jeans went out of style years ago. also, assuming that you carry in your front pocket, because the back pocket would take away from the 1000% comfort of carry, how do you draw in a hurry, under pressure, or just plain sitting down?

and finaly to quote clint smith, "guns are supposed to be comforting, not comfortable."

[Kaos]

Originally Posted by XUSNORDY

You beat me to it......I've beat the living hell out of my old Makarov (Baikal IZH-70)......do these things ever break in? Bought it years ago. We had to train pilots how to use wepaons of the "threat" they may run across if they were put in a "situation"....never replaced anything on it.....still ticking....

Oh yeah, the wife and daughter shoot it extremely well. But for carry?......probably leave too many scars. (LOL)

Theyre fantastic...slip a handall on it and it wont hurt so bad...pretty damn accurate too, I wouldnt carry it though. But that's just me.

[XUSNORDY]

Theyre fantastic...slip a handall on it and it wont hurt so bad...pretty damn accurate too, I wouldnt carry it though. But that's just me

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Yeah I'm with you. I'd never CC it. I OC'd it once or twice hiking/fishing. But thought "why"?....I've got 9mm, 357mag, 40S&W....but when I carry them I say "why"?....I've got a 45acp ash tray thrower at home! (LOL)

[synergy]

Originally Posted by Behler17

how is it that you manage to carry in your pocket in public without printing?

How about with a pocket holster!
http://www.desantisholster.com/m44.html

how do you draw in a hurry, under pressure, or just plain sitting down?

An advantage to pocket carry is that you can get your initial grip on your weapon w/o telegraphing it to anyone. Establishing a grip on your weapon is that most time consuming, most commonly fouled, most critical part of the draw.
http://shivworks.com/mythproparm.asp

Many times you can see a situation getting bad....the guy who's focused on YOU, coming at you quickly with his hands hidden....how easily can you slip a hand in your pocket without appearing to escalate the situation?

How about the flip side of the situation...where you don't see anything coming at all...and all of a sudden someone has a gun in your face. Well, if they haven't assassinated you while that had the opportunity to...it's because they want something. Reaching into your pockets appears a lot less threating than reaching behind your back, especially to someone already asking for keys/ money.

Sitting? Complicated issue, even with a drop-leg open carry holster. If the threat is close and focused on you...it doesn't matter where your carrying your gun, you're not "out drawing" anyone. If the threat is a little bit away, or not focused in on you...movement should be a goal, put your hand in your pocket and draw as you stand up and "get off the x".

Think about it, and try it before you slam it.

[Behler17]

Originally Posted by synergy

How about with a pocket holster!
http://www.desantisholster.com/m44.html


An advantage to pocket carry is that you can get your initial grip on your weapon w/o telegraphing it to anyone. Establishing a grip on your weapon is that most time consuming, most commonly fouled, most critical part of the draw.
http://shivworks.com/mythproparm.asp

Many times you can see a situation getting bad....the guy who's focused on YOU, coming at you quickly with his hands hidden....how easily can you slip a hand in your pocket without appearing to escalate the situation?

How about the flip side of the situation...where you don't see anything coming at all...and all of a sudden someone has a gun in your face. Well, if they haven't assassinated you while that had the opportunity to...it's because they want something. Reaching into your pockets appears a lot less threating than reaching behind your back, especially to someone already asking for keys/ money.

Sitting? Complicated issue, even with a drop-leg open carry holster. If the threat is close and focused on you...it doesn't matter where your carrying your gun, you're not "out drawing" anyone. If the threat is a little bit away, or not focused in on you...movement should be a goal, put your hand in your pocket and draw as you stand up and "get off the x".

Think about it, and try it before you slam it.

first order of business SYNERGY, READ THE WHOLE POST!

2.) we were talking about PANTS pocket carry. i don't know many pant designers with overly large front pockets. my ABU pockets are large and yet constricting enough to print a gun.

3.) that holster is better served in a coat pocket ( which if you will read further back, i did not SLAM) in fact i use a similar holster with my .357 snubby in a coat pocket configuration.

4.) the pocket (coat pocket) is great for a non-threatening draw under guise of going for keys or cash. however...going all the way back to the root of this discussion...which being on the pea shooter abilities of the .380 vs. known stopping power of the .45 and the concealed carry of it in the SOB holster
www.gunaccessories.com/galco/SOBINSET.jpg now the average guy carries his wallet which holds said money that the robber is after in what...that's right...his back pocket. which by looking at the picture in the link provided you will notice a gun handle right above the "wallet" area. thus making for a similar "non-threatening draw"

5.) in the sitting position this "reach for wallet in back pocket" also works wonders.


did i miss anything?

please "SLAM THAT."