Mrs. CJ wants a home defense & carry option for herself.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by CoyoteJack

I don't know about that. Perceived recoil is very situation dependent. Every hunter I know says their rifle kicks harder at the range than it does in the field when a deer is in the crosshairs and your pulse is pounding.

It isn't perceived recoil -- it's recoil control that's the issue, the getting of the sights back on target after the shot. I don't think you can safely assume that your shooting skills will improve under stress. They might -- but that's not the way to bet.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by dgg9

It isn't perceived recoil -- it's recoil control that's the issue, the getting of the sights back on target after the shot. I don't think you can safely assume that your shooting skills will improve under stress. They might -- but that's not the way to bet.

Absolutely correct. You're far more likely to have that flinch you thought you trained out come back. Most shootings i have seen in the street resulted in lower abdomen wounds. Also, there's a large incidence of people getting shot in the ass running away.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by MarcS

Also, there's a large incidence of people getting shot in the ass running away.

Yet another reason to lose weight....

[Michele]

Originally Posted by MarcS

Shame i got to this thread late.

Don is right.

Next.

It's like this guy who told me that back in the military he shot someone with his 45 and the guy was stopped cold and that my 9mm wouldn't do that. I asked him when he had the opportunity to travel back in time and shoot the same man under the same conditions with my 9mm. He then got pissy with me.

When it comes to bad gun advice for women, snubnose revolvers, and moreso alloy framed ones are among the most common and worst.

A) Snappy recoil
B) Long heavy triggers

For some reason it's common knowledge that women get snubnose 38's. It's probably due to men thinking they're too stupid to figure out a semi-automatic.

Let me respectfully interject here.
In my female opinion, women like a smaller gun. They think its easier to handle, because its small. Small is cute. Small is manageable. And not as dangerous looking. Big guns are for men. Also, a revolver, just point and shoot. No racking the slide, and OMG not having to carry one in the pipe. Truth be told it scares the shit out of me to carry one in the pipe. When I have one in the pipe I handle that gun like its plutonium. The revolver is safe.
Revolver--Yes snappy recoil, long heavy triggers.
Semis--Racking the slide, carrying one in the pipe.
These are just from a female view.
I wouldn't expect men to understand any of this.
And on the lighter side. Since when does a woman need help shopping? Even if its for a gun.

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by Michele

Let me respectfully interject here.
In my female opinion, women like a smaller gun. They think its easier to handle, because its small. Small is cute. Small is manageable.

The reality about small pistols is that they are easier to handle from an ergonomic perspective. Michele is a woman and her opinion regarding women's choices is valid but mistaken. Easier to handle ......... yes. Manageable ......... not from the perspective of recoil.

And not as dangerous looking.

Perhaps, but even a diminutive .25 auto can kill.

Big guns are for men.

Only up to the point that any given man recognizes his limitations. I don't like big guns. I don't like small guns either.

Also, a revolver, just point and shoot. No racking the slide,

Revolvers do tend to point "naturally" but IMO the dbl action trigger press is much more difficult and complicated to master than racking a slide.

and OMG not having to carry one in the pipe. Truth be told it scares the shit out of me to carry one in the pipe. When I have one in the pipe I handle that gun like its plutonium. The revolver is safe.

Michele, don't come undone by the fact that a round is chambered. Follow the four cardinal safety rules and you will never experience a ND.

Revolver--Yes snappy recoil, long heavy triggers. Semis--Racking the slide, carrying one in the pipe.

Racking the slide is a gross motor skill vs. the fine motor skill of pressing the trigger. Fine motor skills are much more difficult to program and master. There are techniques that can facilitate racking a slide for those women who may not have adequate upper body strength.

These are just from a female view. I wouldn't expect men to understand any of this.

But most of them are simply misunderstandings or you may not have enough of a knowledge base about firearms in general. As you continue to attend the group shoots and pay attention to some of what is written on this board, you'll develop a broader understanding.

A K frame S&W revolver with a four inch barrel shooting std. pressure .38 spl ammo has very mild recoil. There is a method to pressing a dbl. action trigger that with diligent practice will enable you to shoot fast and accurately.

[WhiteWolf]

TonyF:
I think what you are misunderstanding is that women "perceive" and "like" handguns differently than men do. I took my wife gun shopping and thought I knew what she would pick... boy was I wrong. There is an element of "cute" that doesn't even register with us. We look first at ballistics, capacity, control and make our trade-offs. Women generally seem to look at the appearance of it first. It was one of the hardest things I had to understand when I got married... they look at the world, the whole thing, from a different perspective.

Anyway, I would like to know what lady you have ever met that would CC a "K frame S&W revolver with a four inch barrel shooting std. pressure .38 spl ammo". ok, I would settle for what man you know that can CC that rig.

[Michele]

Tony I agree with you a million percent.
What I stated was from a womans (possible) point of view about a gun.
As you know women think much differently than men, you being a firearms instructor, how many times has one of your female students looked at you like you had two heads because she couldn't understand that her little gun hurts? Until you fully explained everything. Thats why I wrote that. I want some of the men to understand the limitations women have when it comes to guns and choosing a gun. Of course there might be physical limitations, but there are always mental limitations.
Do you understand what I mean? Guns are a scary thing for women. Much more so than a man. You know that.
Lets face it, a woman is not going to buy a gun that doesn't fit her. She definitely doesn't want to hear that her gun makes her look fat. Especially if her husband recommended it. Talk about poop hitting the fan. Pun intended to make a point to some men.

[MarcS]

Originally Posted by Michele

No racking the slide, and OMG not having to carry one in the pipe. Truth be told it scares the shit out of me to carry one in the pipe. When I have one in the pipe I handle that gun like its plutonium. The revolver is safe.

What's the difference between carrying a fully loaded revolver and a pistol with one in the pipe?

[TonyF]

Originally Posted by WhiteWolf

TonyF:
I think what you are misunderstanding is that women "perceive" and "like" handguns differently than men do. I took my wife gun shopping and thought I knew what she would pick... boy was I wrong. There is an element of "cute" that doesn't even register with us. We look first at ballistics, capacity, control and make our trade-offs. Women generally seem to look at the appearance of it first. It was one of the hardest things I had to understand when I got married... they look at the world, the whole thing, from a different perspective.

I completely understand how women perceive handguns due to having the opportunity to be involved in firearms training. The point I was trying to make is that they have misconceptions due to a general lack of knowledge.

Believe it or not the same applies to men.

Anyway, I would like to know what lady you have ever met that would CC a "K frame S&W revolver with a four inch barrel shooting std. pressure .38 spl ammo".

One whose father, husband or boyfriend bought them or recommended to them a lightweight J frame after having fired one or two cylinders full.

Our Apr 29 one day handgun class an entire family attended, husband and wife (late 40's) and their 24 y.o. daughter. I noted that she indicated on the enrollment form her handgun as being an alloy J frame. I purposely brought my 4 inch Model 10, a holster and speedloaders knowing full well that after the first few shot strings she would not be able to finish the class with her revolver.

She was extremely appreciative when I told her towards the end of the day that I had brought it specifically for her as I knew she wouldn't be able to handle the recoil of hers. A four inch model 10 is planned for her next birthday.

ok, I would settle for what man you know that can CC that rig.

I do occasionally. I do believe that an all steel J frame w/three inch barrel represents a better compromise for carry so long as std. pressure ammo is used.

But a four inch K frame is no heavier than a 1911 and relatively speaking, about the same size.

There is one issue that most women do have difficulty with and that is melding the carrying of a firearm with their sense of fashion. These are two diametrically opposed issues from their perspective.

[WhiteWolf]

TonyF:
There is no way, short of a backpack, that a woman is going to CC a 4 inch K frame revolver. I'm trying to keep with reality here. They may shoot them, but they aren't going to carry them.

I'm going to simplify my previous statements down to this: What works and makes sense to us men may not work or make sense to women.

Also, assuming that because someone doesn't make a decision you approve of does not mean they are suffering from a "general lack of knowledge". Maybe they just like different things. Maybe they see things differently. When I go to some of the large gun stores I see tons of guns. Out of these only a handful are something I might be interested in. That doesn't mean everyone that purchases a gun not in my group is wrong or even misinformed.

In defense of 38 snub for women, a short sp101 with 38, even the +p, has very little kick. It also weighs as much as some women but its still my fav.