Why the rest of PA hates Philadelphia

[Strapped]

Originally Posted by 1blindref

I don't get all of Philly bashing on this forum. Philly has a lot of great things to offer. You have to take the good with the bad. There are plenty of other big cities that are much worse than Philly.

I agree Philly has alot of good as well, but sometimes it's hard to see the forest thru the trees..

Yes there are, but they don't share the state..

[mythaeus]

Originally Posted by Strapped

Philadelphia only has 1.5 million, not 5.. How far out are you extending the "regional population"? Besides I was referring to murders IN Philly, not In and around Philly.

Do I think the Poconos are completely safe? No, but a hell of alot safer than Philly by far.. I lived in Philly 28 years, in Frankford, I had 3 friends that had "situational awareness" and plenty of "common sense", it still didnt stop them from becomming a murder statistic..

Philadelphia has remained one of the most violent cities in America for a very long time, theres a reason for that.. Police aren't even safe there..

And all of my rifles are hunting rifles

Frankford is a part of Philly, but hardly is "Philly". It's like saying Kensington is Philly, or Rittenhouse is Philly, or any particular part of Philly is Philly. This is the biggest problem that I have: people criticizing Philly using umbrella numbers, generalized population count and attitude, and/or think Philly is one big thing of a small sample size that they see or experienced. Heck, Philly isn't the same from one block to the next, let alone from one neighborhood to another.

Don't think for a second that people who live here don't recognize the downsides, vices, and the frequencies of certain undesirable events and such here. However, many CHOOSE to be here because we love many aspects of the city and we have weighed out choices and options. Those who weighed the options and leave are also free to do so. Like any big city, it has many the good and many the bad amplified by much larger population density. Philly is Philly, deal with it. It ain't going nowhere.

Al
ETA: Philadelphia (which technically includes the metropolitan surround areas with a population of 3.88M) is the #15 most dangerous city in America for 2009 (Source: Forbes)

[TXDMERC73]

reason Philly crime is so bad cuz its so hard for many citizens in Philly to get LTCF to take back the streets and lower the crime rate, they think that the police can handle everything, i was down there in june all the police do is drive around dont even bother doing much.

If the police dont start doing more raids and drunk stops and clean up the streets its gonna get so bad there will be so much anarchy it will spread all over PA. Its time to take back the streets and clean up the litter all the scumbags are polluting the birthplace of the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

i feel if the Philly Police cant handle it turn it over to the State Police and the FBI. the crime is plagueing the rest of the state, is spreading like a disease.

[Carnes]

Originally Posted by 1blindref

I don't get all of Philly bashing on this forum. Philly has a lot of great things to offer.

So what is so good about Philly that makes up for the bad? Honest question. I don't know much about the place other than there is a good Dim Sum restaurant there that I like to go to when I get the chance.

I think it is tragic that the city that was the birthplace of our nation has devolved into such cesspool of crime and corruption that Pennsylvanians would like to give it away. Philadelphia should be a place that Pennsylvanians are proud to have in the state. With the amazing history that Philly has, I think it would behoove the rest of the state to focus on recovering the city and helping it to be the good example for the rest of the nation that it once was.

Philly is one of the last big cities that the average person can legally carry a gun in. Maybe it would be good for firearms owners to encourage positive change rather than write the place off as a lost cause.

[Strapped]

According to the US census bureau Philadelphia county, which technically ONLY covers Philadelphia county, not Philly and "surrounding areas", has 1.4 million. BTW, what are you considering Philly?

Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
Browse data sets for Philadelphia County
People QuickFacts Philadelphia County Pennsylvania
Population, 2008 estimate 1,447,395 12,448,279

Yeah, I guess theres some good spots in Philly Just as long as you avoid 65%-70% of it.

[mythaeus]

Originally Posted by Carnes

So what is so good about Philly that makes up for the bad? Honest question. I don't know much about the place other than there is a good Dim Sum restaurant there that I like to go to when I get the chance.

I think it is tragic that the city that was the birthplace of our nation has devolved into such cesspool of crime and corruption that Pennsylvanians would like to give it away. Philadelphia should be a place that Pennsylvanians are proud to have in the state. With the amazing history that Philly has, I think it would behoove the rest of the state to focus on recovering the city and helping it to be the good example for the rest of the nation that it once was.

Philly is one of the last big cities that the average person can legally carry a gun in. Maybe it would be good for firearms owners to encourage positive change rather than write the place off as a lost cause.

My answer:
http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...tml#post890446 (places to visit in Philly??)

I think the hostility and bashing spring from gun politics rather than what's bad about the city and come from people who rarely experienced the city for all that it has to offer.

Al

[mythaeus]

Originally Posted by Strapped

According to the US census bureau Philadelphia county, which technically ONLY covers Philadelphia county, not Philly and "surrounding areas", has 1.4 million. BTW, what are you considering Philly?



Yeah, I guess theres some good spots in Philly Just as long as you avoid 65%-70% of it.

I actually personally don't consider most of what north of Fishtown, west of University City, or south of the stadiums Philly. Philly to me is Center City and the immediate surrounding areas. Technically though, it is all that's on the map; however, statistics measuring crimes/population compared to other big cities in the case of Forbes' rating for 2009 includes the city and the surrounding metro (no exact boundaries are defined).

While we may have to avoid 60% of Philadelphia county, there are things to do in their varieties in 1 square foot of the rest of Philly than a 10 square miles elsewhere in PA.

Al

[Strapped]

Originally Posted by mythaeus

While we may have to avoid 60% of Philadelphia county, there are things to do in their varieties in 1 square foot of the rest of Philly than a 10 square miles elsewhere in PA.
Al

Well in 10 square miles out here in elsewhere PA we can.

Go 4 wheeling/dirtbiking.
Horseback riding.
Skiing.
White water rafting.
Paintballing.
Hunting.
Shooting.
Hiking.
Camping.
Fishing.
And a whole lot more...

Please tell me what you can do in your "1 square foot"?

[mythaeus]

Originally Posted by Strapped

Well in 10 square miles out here in elsewhere PA we can.

Go 4 wheeling/dirtbiking.
Horseback riding.
Skiing.
White water rafting.
Paintballing.
Hunting.
Shooting.
Hiking.
Camping.
Fishing.
And a whole lot more...

Please tell me what you can do in your "1 square foot"?

...and you can do those EXACT same things in the rest of the 45000 square miles of PA...and mostly in the summer with the exception of skiing. Tongue in cheek with my 1sqft comment and not saying that I won't enjoy those activities you listed occasionally, but living out there. No thanks.

Al

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by Carnes

So what is so good about Philly that makes up for the bad? Honest question. I don't know much about the place other than there is a good Dim Sum restaurant there that I like to go to when I get the chance.

It's an urban center and some people (like me) prefer an urban environment to live in. As far as politics, morality and socialization, I doubt I'm all that much different from the majority of PA citizens.

I think it is tragic that the city that was the birthplace of our nation has devolved into such cesspool of crime and corruption that Pennsylvanians would like to give it away.

People who say stuff like this are either being cynical in the moment or really just don't know anything about the city. The entire city isn't a "cesspool of crime" any more than anywhere else. Given my demographic, for example, I have a very near zero chance of being murdered (people always throw out the murder statistic like it means something). Drug trade, join a gang, or hang with knuckleheads in neighborhoods where your neighbors will eagerly kill you for disrespect issues and now you got something to talk about.

Cesspool of corruption? Yup. Just like H'burg. Plus the rest of the state helped elect fast eddie. You can't blame that one entirely on Philly.

Philly is the lightning rod for PA's general ire the same way guns are the lightning rod for problems with crime. Easy scapegoat that the masses buy in to so the real issues remain obscured.