murder rate in the city

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

When i lived in Eastern Quebec, i was asked what i thought of the murder rate in Rimouski, 2 people in a year... Sounds great, in Amqui, there was one murder in 2 years, sounds better yet! In Montreal the average is around 60 per year... ouch..

Lets put this into statistics tho
City Population Murders Ratio
Montreal 4,000,000 60 0.000015 (lowest)
Rimouski 10,000 2 0.0002
Amqui 1,500 0.5 0.000333333 (highest)


As you can see, the murder rate that seems greatest at first, can be the lesser one, its all dependent on the population. Take the murder and divide it into the population, see what the numbers tell you.

Murder statistics don't really tell you anything. Some guy killing his wife doesn't make a small town more dangerous than a big city.

[er2006]

Originally Posted by LorDiego01

The solution to the problem is right smack in front of your face.

But as a country, you've grown too stubborn to even consider it. So the vicious circle keeps on, and on, and on and on....

The problem is not the drugs, its the criminals, tHe solution is to take the ciminals out of drugs, and you would do this by destroying the inmense profit margin of selling drugs. Yes, make it legal, but controlled.

Thats it. Problem solved. No more drug crime, no more drug killings, ect. No more people in jail for possesion, you get the point. There's no need to install a police state to combat drugs.

Its the same logic as, "its not the guns, it the criminals", I cannot understand how more people dont realize this.

Lets pay more attention to logic, common sense and science, rather than politicians.

I have given some thoought to what you said , I also spoke to co-workers and they all agree with you , It is probably the only way to stop the vilolence associated with teh drug culture , if you remove the financial incentive then it will stop most of the trouble , I doubt if iot will ever happen , the politicians like slogans over real solutions , The amount of lip service to the needs of the voters and their families will always take last place to the need for a politician to coin a catchy slogan to get reelected . and that is a problem that we will ned to overcome.
Your ideas have a lot of merit!

[Siobhra]

A short time ago I would have fought viciously against the very idea of legalizing drugs. Now I am more of a mind of going the route we take with alcohol.
Take the big money out of it. But make the people who misuse it pay.

[DrakinClaw]

"But as a country, you've grown too stubborn to even consider it." you talk as if you are not a part of this country D I agree with past post's....it boils down to the lack of parental role models, and untill something new comes along, it will always be a never-ending cycle.....

Drak

[DrakinClaw]

lack of role models.
Drakin

[LorDiego01]

Originally Posted by DrakinClaw

"But as a country, you've grown too stubborn to even consider it." you talk as if you are not a part of this country D I agree with past post's....it boils down to the lack of parental role models, and untill something new comes along, it will always be a never-ending cycle.....

Drak

I'll always be seen as an outsider by the majority of the people, no matter what children's book you read, or whats written on my passport.

I subscribe to the idea that America is a state of mind, rather than an imaginary line written down on the land.

And as far as taxes, the guv-mint would make billions in taxes per year, and save countless billions, heck, maybe even trillions a year on not having to fight the war on drugs, no having to imprisson people for victimless crime, and so on and so on.

Its a win-win situation any way you look at it.

[Cerberus]

Im all for it also but it wont happen....they will fight tooth and nail to try and take our firearms first before they even step foot on the legalization issue.

The big issue is money....people pay taxes on alcohol and cigarettes but how can they tax marijuana when you can grow it at home? How many of you grow tobacco at home or have a still? I know growing pot wouldnt be feasible if its legal because there wont be as much as a profit but people will still do it.

As far as the murder rate goes so be it....if people want to foolishly shoot each other let them....you dont hear of any law abiding citizen doing the shooting do you? The 2nd Amendment only applys to us....the law abiding armed citizen but the politicians fail to see that. They think that limiting our rights will preven crime and in the end that really wont work. Just look at the UK....40% rise in crime after their gun ban.

Criminals will still be well armed even after our rights are chipped away.

[er2006]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

Im all for it also but it wont happen....they will fight tooth and nail to try and take our firearms first before they even step foot on the legalization issue.

The big issue is money....people pay taxes on alcohol and cigarettes but how can they tax marijuana when you can grow it at home? How many of you grow tobacco at home or have a still? I know growing pot wouldnt be feasible if its legal because there wont be as much as a profit but people will still do it.

As far as the murder rate goes so be it....if people want to foolishly shoot each other let them....you dont hear of any law abiding citizen doing the shooting do you? The 2nd Amendment only applys to us....the law abiding armed citizen but the politicians fail to see that. They think that limiting our rights will preven crime and in the end that really wont work. Just look at the UK....40% rise in crime after their gun ban.

Criminals will still be well armed even after our rights are chipped away.

I agree 100% the politicians will never do anything substantial to reduce crime. They will say "there are too many guns on the street" well if the two people who were murdered had a gun each maybe they would be alive today. It can only work if we contact the elected representatives and raise the issues with them. Arlen Secter has a good web site you can google him and Santorum , City Council also can be googled , along with mayor Street. This is where to start , you just have to keep pounding away at them untill they surrender and give us the protection under the law "Constitution" that we are entitled to.

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by er2006

I agree 100% the politicians will never do anything substantial to reduce crime. They will say "there are too many guns on the street" well if the two people who were murdered had a gun each maybe they would be alive today. It can only work if we contact the elected representatives and raise the issues with them. Arlen Secter has a good web site you can google him and Santorum , City Council also can be googled , along with mayor Street. This is where to start , you just have to keep pounding away at them untill they surrender and give us the protection under the law "Constitution" that we are entitled to.

True...there are plenty of "what ifs"....what if they were able to defend themselves? We constantly hear the stories of unarmed people being gunned down for no reason and thats sad. People need to realize its time to level the playing field...and arming yourself is the only defense. All the finger pointing and political sabre rattling is starting to get ridiculous.

A prime example is Tom Knox and his "Stop Philly Gun Violence" propaganda. He cries about needing tougher laws but fails to say what laws he would try to enact.

[kyle]

Originally Posted by rugerp95

so what do you guys think about the murders in the city?

it's rediculous. count me among the "something has to be done about this" crowd. not just the murder rate, but the rate of people getting SHOT is extremely disturbing. last month there were at least four shootings that i know about within five blocks of my house which is in a relatively posh part of town.