AR-15 OWNERS – take note of immanent PSP regulations changes

[headcase]

Originally Posted by WhiteFeather

AS PROMISED

Here is the July update from FOAC - ACSL on the AR-15 more to follow!!!

Plus a plan for direct action for us all to take is in the works....

http://acslpa.org/n-legislative/n-le...ee_reports.htm

http://www.foac-pac.org/

I am extremely interested in what the FOAC has to say about this. It really is a criminal conspiracy being perpetrated by the Governer and, by them following a clearly illegal directive, the PSP. It is my understanding that if a FFL refuses to comply with this illegal requirement, they suddenly can't do any P.I.C.S. checks and get threatened. I hope the resolution involves some sort of class action suit brought about by a few of the FFLs here who have stated that they will refuse to comply.

Thanks for the update.

[Pro2A]

This is a perfect example of "Who do you call when the police are breaking the law"?

[AKsRule]

Some Important Info from another forum.............................

AR-15.com info

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"I was talking with my FFL about this, he treated several ar15 lowers as pistols, as a result he submitted the proper multiple pistol purchase forms to the ATF, this is what he received in response/return, looks like the ATF is saying a AR15 lower/receiver is NOT considered a pistol.

"unassembled frames or receivers, ect"



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This document might clarify the issue to officials who are indifferent on this issue.

[GunLawyer001]

Right. Virgin receivers are not "pistols or revolvers" or "handguns". But for some purposes, they are "firearms". When they are "firearms", they fall into the category of "firearms other than rifles or shotguns".

Just because you only fill out a particular form when you sell a handgun, doesn't make that a "handgun form". In practice, there are separate categories for guns, sometimes they overlap:
- handguns
- rifles/shotguns
- "firearms other than rifles or shotguns".

A handgun is a "firearm other than a rifle or a shotgun", but that doesn't work in reverse; a virgin AR-15 lower is a "firearm other than a rifle or a shotgun", but it's NOT a handgun.

There's no law that I know of that specifically outlaws private, in-state transfers of stripped lowers. PA law DOES outlaw most private transfers of handguns (with limited exceptions for spouse/parent/grandparent, or loans to LTCF holders.) So enforcement of a law that applies to "firearms other than rifles or shotguns" doesn't make them the same as handguns.

There are a lot of details to this, which are being ignored by the PSP and by the complaining dealers & citizens. It really helps to read the actual statutes before PSP changes the regs or you folks complain about the PSP.

I'd be happy to go over this in detail at my Firearms Law Workshop Session I, where we can look at the statutes.

[dc dalton]

UGH, how the hell did I miss this thread for so long?

I find it simply amazing how far fast Eddie is willing to overstep his authority. I mean everyone screamed and yelled about Obama but Rendell is looking like the real problem for us Pa. residents. Seems to me he is trying to ram every stinking illegal act he can down our throats before he leaves office, not exactly the normal 'lame duck' behavior but then again these kind of things are going through the normal channels.

Guess I have to write some letters again, the AG is definitely on the list but what about writing our senators and representatives too? Wouldn't some 'rumblings' in Harrisburg stir up some resistance, or at least some interest in these illegal activities?

[Robert Kayland]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

This is a perfect example of "Who do you call when the police are breaking the law"?

"When the police break the law, there is no law... only the fight for survival."

I'd be happy to go over this in detail at my Firearms Law Workshop Session I, where we can look at the statutes.

Be sure to let us know when you'll be in the Lehigh Valley area giving one of these seminars.

[Jackal]

Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

Right. Virgin receivers are not "pistols or revolvers" or "handguns". But for some purposes, they are "firearms". When they are "firearms", they fall into the category of "firearms other than rifles or shotguns".

Just because you only fill out a particular form when you sell a handgun, doesn't make that a "handgun form". In practice, there are separate categories for guns, sometimes they overlap:
- handguns
- rifles/shotguns
- "firearms other than rifles or shotguns".

A handgun is a "firearm other than a rifle or a shotgun", but that doesn't work in reverse; a virgin AR-15 lower is a "firearm other than a rifle or a shotgun", but it's NOT a handgun.

There's no law that I know of that specifically outlaws private, in-state transfers of stripped lowers. PA law DOES outlaw most private transfers of handguns (with limited exceptions for spouse/parent/grandparent, or loans to LTCF holders.) So enforcement of a law that applies to "firearms other than rifles or shotguns" doesn't make them the same as handguns.

There are a lot of details to this, which are being ignored by the PSP and by the complaining dealers & citizens. It really helps to read the actual statutes before PSP changes the regs or you folks complain about the PSP.

I'd be happy to go over this in detail at my Firearms Law Workshop Session I, where we can look at the statutes.

So....what about complete AR-15 rifles? Would it be wise to steer away from FTF sales?

[GunLawyer001]

Originally Posted by Jackal

So....what about complete AR-15 rifles? Would it be wise to steer away from FTF sales?

A rifle is a rifle. It's not a "firearm other than a rifle or shotgun". So the laws that apply to "firearms other than rifles or shotguns" don't apply to complete rifles.

[Robert Kayland]

FWIW, I just bought a stripped lower at the Days Inn gun show today in Allentown and the dealer only filled out the yellow form for the background check, and did not do the white form. I asked him about 'the latest news' on this and he was adamant that the PSP have it wrong, and he himself had had paperwork returned from the BATF, so he's not filling out the white forms anymore on lowers.

[unloved]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

"Who do you call when the police are breaking the law"?

A crack commando unit sent to prison for a crime they didn't commit?



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