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With all due respect Lougotzz.. but your quote above is complete bullshit and utter fabrication.
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Before you can say "not everything written on the internet is true", please, look these up like I did, and you will find it that in fact, the Founding Fathers came here to ESCAPE from religion, rather than impose a new empire based on it.

Further more, as has already been stated, the Founding Fathers did share certain beliefs that are associated with Christiniaty, like no killing, no stealing, ect. However, these are not only Christian beliefs, but they are beliefs found on just about every single other religion on the planet.
This is probably an obvious point, but let me add that although the Founding Fathers wanted America to be a safe haven from tyrannical religion, they also wanted individuals to be free to practice religion in whatever way they saw fit. Just because this seperation of church and state was, in some ways, not wholeheartedly accepted by the populace at large (due to the populace being predomaninatly Judeo-Christian) doesn't mean it's any less valid.
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Thankyousirrrrr!

My reserved and tactfull aproach ensures that I go straight to the point.
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This is probably an obvious point, but let me add that although the Founding Fathers wanted America to be a safe haven from tyrannical religion, they also wanted individuals to be free to practice religion in whatever way they saw fit. Just because this separation of church and state was, in some ways, not wholeheartedly accepted by the populace at large (due to the populace being predominately Judeo-Christian) doesn't mean it's any less valid.
My religion allows same sex marriage. So why can't I marry another woman or you another man? Or are you saying we can BELIEVE any religion but must practice only state approved religions?
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My religion allows same sex marriage. So why can't I marry another woman or you another man? Or are you saying we can BELIEVE any religion but must practice only state approved religions?
Siobhra, I'm not saying that at all, and I'm not sure how you got that from my statement.

In my opinion, anyone can marry anyone they want, regardless of age, race, sex, etc. Anyone can practice any religion they want. If a person's particular sexual orientation, marriage, lifestyle, and so on is acceptable to that person's belief system, then netiher I, nor the State, have any business critizing or condemning it. Our Founding Fathers seperated Church and State so that people can practice their religion, and any related lifestyles, traditions, etc., without fear of state persecution.

What I'm saying is that people are imperfect, and because Americans of the past were predominantly Judeo-Christian, they wrongfully integrated some elements of their religion into government. Despite this integration (some of it being ruled Unconsititutional), and despite the feelings of some even in today's society, seperation of Church and State is still valid and should be respected. It is no less valid today than it was when the Founding Fathers instituted it.

I in NO WAY endorse an "official" or "state sponsored" religion, or governments which institute them.

I hope this clarifies my comments.

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