Oath takers-LEO's please note

[Yellowfin]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

I agree my oath means a lot to me. But what I mean is the common solider would follow any order given knowing he faced the same as Solivk. A firing squad for disobeying a direct order. Remember your training you must go through the chain of command. You can find out what happens just go over your COs head without permission.

But duck when the shit hits the fan

When given an illegal order, it's your job to be the firing squad on the person giving it.

What grinds on me is how you don't hear of condemnation of the anti-2A LE's from those in the LE community who respect our rights. Not one peep about the leadership of the NYPD, LAPD, LASO, etc. who are often basically no better than 3rd world dictators from those who know better. Not a word about how unions are guilty in the hijacking of CA, NY, and NJ governments by hard line anti gunners.

WHY THE SILENCE?!?! The PUBLIC needs to hear from people of similar standing what slimeballs these people are.

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

When given an illegal order, it's your job to be the firing squad on the person giving it.

Can tell you've never been in the military. If it moves salute it if it doesn't paint it.

Most soldiers today who get inked don't know they can be court marshaled for destroying or defacing government property.

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by Yellowfin

When given an illegal order, it's your job to be the firing squad on the person giving it.

It's a great theory, but as 1st Lt. Ehren Watada discovered the hard way, refusing an unlawful order has severe consequences.

[Elmar]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

It's a great theory, but as 1st Lt. Ehren Watada discovered the hard way, refusing an unlawful order has severe consequences.

Defending liberty always can have severe consequences. One of them that everyone who has joined our voluntary military knows is that it could end your life - but that is an acceptable risk to those of us who have volunteered to put our life on the line to protect the people and ideals of this great nation.

Standing up to an illegal order is just as much defending liberty as going across an ocean to war.

[YllwFvr]

Its terrible to think about. I have perhaps 8 good friends in the service right now. Id hate to think of them having to make that choice.

Most would do it you say? Ok so what would we do about it? How would you handle a group of well armed soldiers coming to your house?

They are trained fighters, most of us are not. Besides which it wouldnt be any kind of stand up battle if it came down to it, and America has been fighting, and training to fight, guerilla style combat since 'Nam.
Its bleak however you look at it.

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by YllwFvr

They are trained fighters, most of us are not. Besides which it wouldnt be any kind of stand up battle if it came down to it, and America has been fighting, and training to fight, guerilla style combat since 'Nam.
Its bleak however you look at it.

Try Since the Revolutionary War there were few stand up battles there or the French and Indian wars. Americans have been gorilla fighting for a long time you would think we'd know how to beat gorillas.

[YllwFvr]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

Try Since the Revolutionary War there were few stand up battles there or the French and Indian wars. Americans have been gorilla fighting for a long time you would think we'd know how to beat gorillas.

Well not wholly. Im not a huge war buff but we've had alot of stand up fights havent we? The world wars, The beginning of Iraq at least right? Desert Storm was wasnt it?
Out of my element here lol

[smithwessn]

Originally Posted by Pro2A

I think most local, rural and small town police departments wouldn't.

I don't think most local, rural and small town police departments could disarm citizens even if they wanted to. Most of us have them out gunned.

Originally Posted by Kenshin

I wonder how the situation will change when those same members are following orders to disarm or detain their own families or friends.

This will probably go through the minds of many soldiers. They will be thinking about their dads, brothers, uncles, friends that they hunt/shoot with. Those with deep rooted family history of hunting/gun ownership will no doubt consider disobeying those orders.

When it comes right down to it, the men and women of the military and LEO community will be just as divided on the issue as we are on whether they would or wouldn't follow the order.

Simply put- some will, some won't.

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

Americans have been gorilla fighting for a long time you would think we'd know how to beat gorillas.

Or figured out that it's basically impossible. It doesn't take too many p**sed off natives to create a no-win situation. We can barely control prisons. Anything less than a prison, forget about it.

[wsd302]

I believe the military would regard the LEO's as the rest of the population and confiscate their weapons also. They have no reason to trust or to look upon LEO's as allies. I am not talking about a Katrina like situation, but an all out, nation wide move on the Bill Of Rights. If it ever got to that point, Military Police would be the new LEO's.