Oath takers-LEO's please note

[Jim1911]

My oath is to keep harassing the law makers and remind them of the constitution that they are sworn to uphold.


While I was on active duty, I was aware of my duty to only comply with lawful orders. How do you expect an 18 to 25 year old kid with barely a high school education that majored in chasing pussy to know the law?

When I joined the National Guard, we were more aware of the laws because of the pissing contests between active duty and the National Guard. The reserves in my opinion are as ignorant as the active duty personnel.

Just ask a PRNJ state trooper his opinion of the people’s right to bare arms

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by n1fhpa

Guys, you know full well that the common soldier following orders is paramount to the success of our military and law enforcement. Where my confidence lies is in those giving the orders.

Should the worst happen, I have to believe that those in charge will follow the path of least resistance. Specifically, if the SHTF and a large majority of Americans have decided to take action against tyranny, the easiest path to quell the uproar is to peacefully dismiss the 535 people who failed to uphold their oath from our governmental offices and return them to the private sector.

I can only speak for myself; there is no way I will give up liberty at any cost. The people in charge of our military and law enforcement must feel the same way. No?

A lot also depends on the wording of the order. If I tell an officers that your a member of a subversive group they'll order you disarmament. For example the FBI tells us he's a member of a white supremacist group, or the Black Muslims have arms in their buildings. This is a state of National Emergency and this order comes from the Commander and Chief. We have taken an oath to follow orders if there lawful. An officer or command solider would have no way of knowing if we were in a state of emergency. Especially today. If the jets had caught up with the 9/11 aircraft do you really believe they would have disobeyed orders and not shot them down. Anything in the air on 9/11 that was not headed for an airport or responding to a controller was game on. And a State of Emergency did exist at that time.

Go back and look at how many times orders were followed costing American lives. Just a few Kent State, Waco. Ruby Ridge, Alabama during the 60's desegregations. During the MLK marches. And on and on just open your eyes.

While I like to believe this won't happen the scenarios exist for it to happen. Let a Dirty bomb go off in NYC and see how fast martial law is declared, the constitution is suspended and the military moves.

[1861]

Originally Posted by n1fhpa

Guys, you know full well that the common soldier following orders is paramount to the success of our military and law enforcement. Where my confidence lies is in those giving the orders.

Should the worst happen, I have to believe that those in charge will follow the path of least resistance. Specifically, if the SHTF and a large majority of Americans have decided to take action against tyranny, the easiest path to quell the uproar is to peacefully dismiss the 535 people who failed to uphold their oath from our governmental offices and return them to the private sector.

I can only speak for myself; there is no way I will give up liberty at any cost. The people in charge of our military and law enforcement must feel the same way. No?

American troops have fired on American citizens at times ever since the Whisky Rebellion of the late 1700's .

[Adam-12]

Originally Posted by 1861

American troops have fired on American citizens at times ever since the Whisky Rebellion of the late 1700's .

Yep. Remember the Stanford prison experiment? It explains why ordinary, decent young men in Germany became part of the Holocaust. It explains why cops brutalize "civilians." And it explains why US troops will fire on American citizens.

[1861]

Originally Posted by Adam-12

Yep. Remember the Stanford prison experiment? It explains why ordinary, decent young men in Germany became part of the Holocaust. It explains why cops brutalize "civilians." And it explains why US troops will fire on American citizens.

And never forget the treatment of the ww 1 vets when they tried to get their promised bonus .

[Pro2A]

Originally Posted by Archiver

Then you sir are a naive fool! Civil Rights contained in the PA and US Constitution are being subverted on a DAILY basis by Police in America! They will look after their own posteriors and thats ALL!

I'd say he's half right... yes there is that moonbat fringe that probably would. I think most local, rural and small town police departments wouldn't. In addition I think most of the military wouldn't.

[stephpd]

I have to agree with the majority here and think that they'll follow orders, whether later decided if lawful or not. The full time regular military is trained to follow orders blindly. Questioning a superior officer is not what they are trained to do. If it were the norm there would be chaos and our military would cease to function.

Since any refusal of orders is held in a military courts marshal the odds aren't in your favor for refusing. Life in Fort Leavenworth of the firing squad isn't very appealing to many and after word gets out that some are receiving either the masses will conform. If it weren't so our military would be doomed.

The Federal agents and local LEO's frequently do the same thing, following orders. Decent in the ranks can't be tolerated. Without the majority willing and able to follow orders there is just no order.

The higher up in rank you go the less chance of desertion or refusal to follow orders because they have more to lose. It's a rare breed that will face certain death for refusing an order verses possible death for following an order. And since there are so few in our society as a whole it is rarer in the military and law enforcement.

[unclejumbo]

Originally Posted by Gtbullet

At first I wouldn’t think our Military would disarm the American people but now I’m not sure...I know the police would try,

How do you "know" that? In my conversations with fellow law enforcement officers, it has become clear that many would absolutely not do that. The reasons are varied, some because they will not violate the Constitution, some because the pay isn't worth the risk in such a scenario.

Now if you're referring to the administration ordering such action, that is possible. If the rank and file wouldn't follow the order then it wouldn't happen.

Being an LEO means any of us can say "I quit" and walk out the door.

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by unclejumbo

How do you "know" that? In my conversations with fellow law enforcement officers, it has become clear that many would absolutely not do that. The reasons are varied, some because they will not violate the Constitution, some because the pay isn't worth the risk in such a scenario.

Now if you're referring to the administration ordering such action, that is possible. If the rank and file wouldn't follow the order then it wouldn't happen.

I'm just curious if martial law were declared would they still not follow orders to disarm the population ??

[unclejumbo]

Honestly, I don't think most of us think about martial law. I've always considered that more of a military matter. I always assumed we would just get shoved to the side in such a scenario.

Your were probably typing when I edited and added my last sentence. The difference between the military and domestic law enforcement is the ability to just walk away. I believe that a lot of LEOs would exercise that option if things got too bad. Remember New Orleans. How many LEOs simply quit through job abandonment when the shit hit the fan?