[CLOSED]Municipalities in violation of §6120 (Preemption)[CLOSED]

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Originally Posted by gnbrotz

Find your mistake yet?

Yeah yeah... My wife was harassing me about movie times earlier. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

[gnbrotz]

Dauphin County Park Rules.

Rule #14, as part of County Ordinance #2-95:

14. No person shall carry a knife upon their person having a blade of 3 inches or longer in length, or have possession of, or discharge a BB gun, air rifle, pistol, firearm, bow and arrow, or any other type of lethal weapon in any park, except on facilities expressly designate or provided for that purpose.

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Manheim Township
Lancaster, PA 17601

11.) FIREARMS: No one is permitted to carry, have or discharge firearms, bow and arrow, air or spring rifles,
slings, or other weapons, in the parks, except in designated areas.

below is a link to the rules pdf. It is on page 5/12


http://manheimtownship.org/documents...5.2.06_002.pdf

[shefearsnothing]

Longs Park (In Lancaster, Pa) doesn't have their rules posted online. I have called and asked them over the phone though (not specifically about firearms as I didn't want them leaving out anything "good") and the lady went right down the list of rules and read it off to me. It's posted there at the park that "you aren't allowed to have firearms" there. I know I posted about this previously but I didn't know there was a specific thread for this sort of thing specifically. I am not aware of anyone being cited for breaking the rule at this time either.

[andrewjs18]

Originally Posted by shefearsnothing

Longs Park (In Lancaster, Pa) doesn't have their rules posted online. I have called and asked them over the phone though (not specifically about firearms as I didn't want them leaving out anything "good") and the lady went right down the list of rules and read it off to me. It's posted there at the park that "you aren't allowed to have firearms" there. I know I posted about this previously but I didn't know there was a specific thread for this sort of thing specifically. I am not aware of anyone being cited for breaking the rule at this time either.

I'd still be thinking ahead about the situation and prevent any encounters before they arise...what I did was went to the borough's office that had an illegal park sign and requested that a specific ordinance be printed because the sign listed 1...you could probably just ask for a copy of the park rules...bring some change because they'll probably charge you.

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Originally Posted by andrewjs18

I'd still be thinking ahead about the situation and prevent any encounters before they arise...what I did was went to the borough's office that had an illegal park sign and requested that a specific ordinance be printed because the sign listed 1...you could probably just ask for a copy of the park rules...bring some change because they'll probably charge you.

Lancaster parks apparently were supposed to change the ordinance. I contacted the park board and the guy e-mailed me and said he would call me and tell me where they were in updating the rules. He never called.

[XRAY Joe]

I ride the Schuylkill river trail in Berks, Montgomery and Phila. Here is what I found about Montgomery County Park rules. The firearm's rule is in bold. I called the Parks dept, the secretary said the manager left for the day. I told her I saw the "No Firearms" rule and told her I CC while riding the trail. She told me I shouldn't do that. PA Patroit squared me away on the law. Just a heads up to anyone using Montgomery County Parks.

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Rules and Regulations

These rules will help make your visit pleasant and safe. If anything interferes with your use of this site, please notify a Park Ranger or contact the Park Superintendent or Historic Site Administrator.

Rules

No person shall possess, consume, sell, purchase, distribute or transport alcoholic beverages, illegal drugs, or controlled substance upon Park or Historic Site property.


No person shall possess or transport fireworks, firearms, BB guns, bows/arrows, and pellet guns, air guns on site property. In addition to its ordinary meaning, firearms shall include BB guns, bows and arrows, pellet guns, air guns, paintball guns or slingshots on Park and Historic Site property. (Except under special conditions established by the Department of Parks and Heritage Services)

Pets are prohibited except in designated areas of specified County Park and Historic Site facilities. Where they are permitted, pets must be on a leash not exceeding six feet in length, and must be attended to at all times by the owner. Pet owners must clean up after their pets. (Contact the Park or Historic Site office for more details)


Littering is prohibited. All refuse, trash and rubbish shall be removed from the Park or Historic Site or placed in trash receptacles. Dumping of grass, clippings, leaves, branches, and other landscape materials is prohibited.


No person shall engage in unruly, indecent, boisterous, or disorderly conduct


Fires prohibited except in fireplaces or other designated areas. All fires must be extinguished prior to leaving the designated area.


Picnic facilities (pavilions, tables, grills) may require advance reservations, and all persons must make such reservations when required. (Contact the Park or Historic Site office for more information)


Parking motor vehicles in other than areas designated for parking is prohibited. Operating a motor vehicle on a Park or Historic Site road in a negligent or reckless manner, or in excess of the posted speed limit is prohibited.


The operation of Motorized Recreational Vehicles, including ATV’s, snowmobiles, trail bikes and mini-bikes on Park or Historic Site property is prohibited.


Hunting and trapping on Park or Historic Site property is prohibited, except under special conditions established by the Department of Parks and Heritage Services. Feeding, disturbing or harassing any wildlife on Park or Historic Site property is prohibited.


No person shall release or abandon wild or domestic animals, non-native fish, or aquatic life on any Parklands or Park waters or Historic Site lands or waters.


No person shall deface, damage or remove any Park or Historic Site property, including any vegetation growing on Parklands or Historic Site lands.


Fishing and boating are prohibited except in designated areas of specified County Park or Historic Site facilities. (Contact the Park or Historic Site office for more information) All Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission Laws apply.


Swimming is prohibited in all County Parks and Historic Sites, except as may be designated in areas of specified County Parks and Historic Site facilities. (Contact the Park or Historic Site offices for more information)


Ice Skating and Ice Fishing are prohibited except in designated areas of specified County Park or Historic Site facilities. (Contact the Park or Historic Site office for more information)


Horseback riding, bicycling, roller-blading and roller-skating are prohibited except in areas of specified County Park or Historic Site facilities. (Contact the Park or Historic Site office for more information)


Overnight camping for the general public is prohibited except at Green Lane Park. (Contact the Park office for more information)


Metal detectors are prohibited.


The posting of signs, the distributing, selling, servicing or renting of any supplies, equipment, material or commodity, or soliciting for any purpose without the written authorization from the Department of Parks and Heritage Services is prohibited.


No person shall enter or remain in a County Park or Historic Site other than during the time period for which the Park or Historic Site is posted as being open to the public.


Special events in County Parks are permitted only if approval has been granted under a Special Use Permit. Permit applications may be obtained at the Park office.


Enforcement:

The foregoing Rules and Regulations shall be enforced by Montgomery County Park Rangers or by Historic Site staff utilizing Ordinance #02-01.



Penalties:

Any person(s) who violates any of the foregoing Rules and Regulations shall be guilty of a Summary Offense and shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay a fine not exceeding $300.00 or not more than 90 days, or both.


THANK YOU!

[Statkowski]

If you find a county park in violation of preemption, fire off a letter to the county commissioners and the parks department director, as I did here:
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...nty-parks.html

What the heck, include an info copy to the Attorney General and your State Representative, too.

If 30 days passes with no feedback at all, do it again.

If possible, see if you can attend a county commissioner meeting and raise the issue there. Ask the commissioners if they're prepared to defend a civil rights lawsuit in the event some police officer enforces their ordinance. Remember, this is not about firearms, this is about a county ordinance that is in violation of state law.

[XRAY Joe]

I emailed the Montco Parks Dept. I will see what the answer is and go from there.

Thanks,

Xray Joe

[tobor]

Originally Posted by gnbrotz

I've created a Google map to illustrate these violations. It can be found here. Red placemarks indicate existing issues, green indicates resolved issues.

OP has been updated with this info also.

There are a couple of small parks in Ambler Borough, zip 19002, that prohibit firearms. I think it is stated that a violation is a summary offense, $100 fine.