PhillyCop debate

[Phillycop5898]

First Off locking your gun in your car is the biggest mistake! I don't knwo how they do things in York but here in Philly you are arrested for a felony for leaving a unattended gun in your vehicle. YOu better laywer up and How did you boss know you had a gun in your vehicle in the first place? Did he see it? If not he had no reason. But if you went into work bragging that " HEY EVRYBODY I GOT A GUN IN MY CAR" Then he had every right to fire you. Permit to carry, Carry for what? Your work probly has rules about having guns in the work place, Unless you are in the service, in something to do with law enforcement (security guard doesn't count because they are not allowed to carry off the clock here) Then what was your gun doing in your car to begin with? Think of it as "what if someone broke into my car and stole it?" Now how would you feel if someone or even a cop got shot with your gun? Use your head!

[Phillycop5898]

Originally Posted by danp

I don't know the details, but I can tell you that Philadelphia now abides by the law for issuing and honoring LTCFs. However there are still issues with them revoking permits for questionably legal reasons using questionably legal methods.

OK we take the permits away now because too many people are being dumb (thats me being nice!) Permit to carry, People get issued these permits and the next thing you know they are pulling (security guard did this already!) their gun on someone who hits them with a cane in a crowded supermarket. HELLO! Reckless right there, Lucky to find out she was guarding the supermarket with a empty gun which she kept in a school bag under the counter and she was running in and out! This is what I'm talking about! Or another gun locking it in his car and someone steals it out of his car! These are the reasons we are taking permits BACK! Stupid people! Another one is now that if your house is robbed and your gun is not in a gun lock box or vault we are taking the permit away! Because too many people have had there gun stolen because they are careless with it. If you are smart and are safe and lock your gun up, You have no worries. I don't even leave any gun in my car! I go to the range with 6 handguns, and go to another store after, 5 guns in my backpack and 1 on my hip. But I'm allowed to carry. This city needs to start making even more rules! If you are not a cop what do you need your gun for when going into a store? Why carry it? I carry mine incase someone pulls theirs out and it has happened many times and if your gun shows alittle and yoru not a cop you are getting detained! These stupid people are screwing it up for everyone.

[Phillycop5898]

Originally Posted by dricasunz

On halloween night i decided to attend a friends birthday party cause i was in the area i parked my car in a parking lot on front and chestnut streeet. I got there around midnight and stayed til 2 when i came outside to my suprise someone had stolen my tahoe with all my valuable audio/video equipment and my ruger 9mm...i reported the incident immediately only to find out a few days later my license to carry had been suspended...i was wondering what could i do to get it back and how long does it normally take to get it back from a situation like this...Has this happened to anyone in this forum..please let me know...

OK first it's Illegal and when you got your permit they probly told you this! To keep any firearm in your unattended Vehicle. Because what happened! Second go ahead and appeal all you want, You ARE NOT GETTING IT BACK! The city will not return any Permit if they took it. The Commissioner is cracking down on people who are careless with their gun. Luck for you that you had a permit and that is all that is going to be taking. If you didn't have a permit and it was in your vehicle then you would of been arrested for a felony. Would of been VUFA in streets for leaving your gun in the car. Us Police we get time and money taking and sometimes fired if we leave our gun in our personal vehicle and it's stolen. So consider yourself lucky that only you permit is being taking away because starting in the new year I heard now it will be arrests for leaving your gun in a unattended Vehicle, If you look up the philly law on it, it will clearly state that leaving it in your vehicle is a felony.

[Phillycop5898]

Originally Posted by Rule10b5

The text of the reciprocity agreement states that: "The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania will recognize valid Florida licenses to carry concealed firearms by valid Florida permit holders while said permit holders are present in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania."

Depending on how you parse it, it either means:

that all Florida licenses to carry are recognized when those (meaning anyone in general) who hold Florida permits are in the Commonwealth

or

that all Florida licenses to carry are recognized when those Florida (meaning Florida persons) permit holders are in the Commonwealth

The first parsing makes more sense, and the second one is pretty tortured.

The problem, though, is that any recognition of a valid Florida permit (held by a Pa. resident) if the Pa. resident's Pa. permit had been suspended would be a violation of state sovereignty / and the full faith and credit clause.

I mean, aren't the rights of the state itself impaired if it can't stop individuals in the state from carrying on another state's permit when it has already expressly acted with the intent of precluding the individual from carrying concealed?

Here's another point: If you are an NJ resident operating on an NJ driver license, and Pa. can suspend your right to drive in Pa. (which is indisputable as a matter of law) then how can an action of another state licensing you to engage in a particular sort of conduct allow you to engage in that conduct in another state that allows (in general) that conduct, usually, but has suspended it with respect to you specifically?

The response, of course, is that there wasn't a tailored suspension of the right at issue, merely the suspension of that state's affirmative permission. I think that's a bogus argument, quite frankly.

Anyway all of the above, when considered together, makes mean lean pretty hard in the direction of your argument that if your Pa. permit is suspended, you're out of luck in Pa. even if you hold a valid out of state permit.

See this one is a hard one because Dets had me bring them in and still arrested the person for carring a handgun over from another state. You have a permit to carry in FL. well that doesn't mean you have a permit to carry here. That is what I got from a few dets who did the final paperwork on my arrests. Only exceptions are active law enforcement personal. Just like NJ if you are caught with hollow points over there it's 1,000 a bullet. I'm just talking for what arrests I have made in the past and continue to make. Anyone without a valid PA permit goes in is what I was told by the DC of dets

[Phillycop5898]

Originally Posted by troy

Hi,
I went to Philly to visist my Mother and had my gun stolen out of my car in Philly last week and when I reported it that morning the Detective took my license to carry and told me I would not get it back and it would be sent to the county where I live (Lycoming) with the recomendation that it be revoked. I really do not understand why this is being done, I committed no crime. I did not know that you can't leave a gun in the glove box, even though I did not do it on purpose. I put it there because I did not what to keep it on my person because it is too uncomfortable. I had planned to go back out in about a hour and so I left it there. Do you haev any information on this?

Yea you should of reported it to state police because its a felony to leave your gun in your car! Lose your permit? HA! you got off light! Hey when a cop is shot with your gun for you being careless and leaving it in your car, I wonder how you are going to feel? O! and Philly police contact state police through NCIC and or state reporting system.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

Yea you should of reported it to state police because its a felony to leave your gun in your car!

Care to cite chapter and verse on that?

[josh]

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

OK first it's Illegal and when you got your permit they probly told you this! To keep any firearm in your unattended Vehicle. Because what happened! Second go ahead and appeal all you want, You ARE NOT GETTING IT BACK! The city will not return any Permit if they took it. The Commissioner is cracking down on people who are careless with their gun. Luck for you that you had a permit and that is all that is going to be taking. If you didn't have a permit and it was in your vehicle then you would of been arrested for a felony. Would of been VUFA in streets for leaving your gun in the car. Us Police we get time and money taking and sometimes fired if we leave our gun in our personal vehicle and it's stolen. So consider yourself lucky that only you permit is being taking away because starting in the new year I heard now it will be arrests for leaving your gun in a unattended Vehicle, If you look up the philly law on it, it will clearly state that leaving it in your vehicle is a felony.

This is a philidelphia city law correct?

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

See this one is a hard one because Dets had me bring them in and still arrested the person for carring a handgun over from another state. You have a permit to carry in FL. well that doesn't mean you have a permit to carry here. That is what I got from a few dets who did the final paperwork on my arrests. Only exceptions are active law enforcement personal. Just like NJ if you are caught with hollow points over there it's 1,000 a bullet. I'm just talking for what arrests I have made in the past and continue to make. Anyone without a valid PA permit goes in is what I was told by the DC of dets

I think I misunderstand. Are you saying even though the legislature sets up reciprocity so someone from florida can carry without being in violation of the law you still arrest him?

[josh]

[/quote] Then what was your gun doing in your car to begin with? [/quote]

To abide by the policys of our companies many of us leave our weapons in our car. I myself park off of company property so I am not carrying on their property. I hate it but they do have property reights.

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

Think of it as "what if someone broke into my car and stole it?"

That is a valid concern. If our companies would get theri heads out of their posteriors we sould not be forced into that situation.

Now how would you feel if someone or even a cop got shot with your gun?

That is an whole different thread. LOL

[josh]

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

If you are not a cop what do you need your gun for when going into a store? Why carry it?

1. Because it is our right.
2. To protect ourselves. It is better to be prepared.
3. Because I want to

Why do you cops feel the need to decide who carries and who does not?

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

Now how would you feel if someone or even a cop got shot with your gun?

You beat this drum in two different threads so I figured I would answer it for you.

I have to tell you I would feel a lot worse if cops were not disarming people in direct violation of the PA constitution. I will feel bad for the mans family.But if someone is killed while enforceing unconstitutional or bad laws I have no remorse.

[dgg9]

Originally Posted by Phillycop5898

OK we take the permits away now because too many people are being dumb (thats me being nice!)

Here's a concept that's probably unfamiliar to you (that's me being nice): police ENFORCE the law, not CREATE it.

If PPD thinks that it's the gunowner's fault if a gun is stolen, then lobby Harrisburg to pass laws forbidding guns locked in cars or requiring gunsafes. YOU do not get to invent rules you like. That's arrogant abuse of power.