Nutter: Enforce Phila.'s gun laws [Even if they conflict with State Law]

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by soberbyker

I worked in the city for 6 and a half of the past 7 years. I don't live in the city. The Philadelphia wage tax for me was twice that of the state, even more if you work AND live in the city.

Bill

The only reason your didn't pay more was the state stepped in and set the top rate the city could charge you. They were going to charge you what they charge the people who live and work in the city.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

The only reason your didn't pay more was the state stepped in and set the top rate the city could charge you. They were going to charge you what they charge the people who live and work in the city.

Actually they used to tax at the same rate for resident and non resident workers, the state did step in to cap it.

[Philadelphia]

Originally Posted by larrymeyer

I paid city wage tax and never lived in Philadelphia everyone who works in the city pays that tax. It's a temporary tax put in after the war. Of course no tax is temporary. Who pays for SEPTA the rest of the state theres no public transportation where I am. Philadelphia sales tax is 7% passed so they can stay solvent the rest of the state is 6% with the exception of Allegheny who ask for the same tax as Philadelphia. Who pays for your schools and most of the kids can't pass a standard test without the teachers giving them the answers. How much more does Philadelphia want send money. What about Pittsburgh, Scranton, Harrisburg, Wilkes-Berra. Philadelphia gets money from the state, and federal government and live on the backs of tax payers who don't live in the city. If I sound sarcastic you bet your ass I am I never got anything back from Philadelphia for all the money I spent there I would cut all funding to Philadelphia till they showed some fiscal responsibility


Sorry guys for my rant but it burns me up when I keep hearing from Philadelphia just send money and we'll clean it up BULLSHIT

OK, the one way bus tickets get handed out tomorrow.

You don't want to pay, no problem. And you can whine about liberals and gun control and Nutter and whatever.

The problems are simple (at least in the short term). We need more cops. We need more DAs. We need more prison space (that's the big one). Prison space costs money. Your money (state money). You want to whine about gun control initiatives coming out of the city or you want criminals in jail so the liberals go back to sleep? Or better yet, we'll send them your way so we don't have to pay for dealing with all of them and you won't complain about paying taxes in philly. Problem solved.

[soberbyker]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

OK, the one way bus tickets get handed out tomorrow.

You don't want to pay, no problem. And you can whine about liberals and gun control and Nutter and whatever.

The problems are simple (at least in the short term). We need more cops. We need more DAs. We need more prison space (that's the big one). Prison space costs money. Your money (state money). You want to whine about gun control initiatives coming out of the city or you want criminals in jail so the liberals go back to sleep? Or better yet, we'll send them your way so we don't have to pay for dealing with all of them and you won't complain about paying taxes in philly. Problem solved.

I'll agree with you there. I lived in the city when Frank Rizzo was mayor, there was literally a cop on every corner in center city, these days I can drive 10 blocks without seeing one. They don't have enough police to handle the calls they get, let alone to do routine patrolling.

10-4 on the prisons too, there's so much crime because there are no real repercussions, a slap on the wrist and your back on the streets, why? Because there's no where to put them all.

I think the city could free up a great deal of cash getting rid of the fat in city government, they could put more cops on the street by having "officers", ie Capts. Lts. etc patrol more often too.

But I also don't think the rest of the state should have to keep bailing the city out.

Bill

[Siobhra]

More cops, more DA's and more prison space.

That is what they should be whining about. If they were whining about money for those things then we can talk about helping them out. We would be more prone to believe them when they say they need help. The gun laws talk from them means they really don't want to do anything and that they are just looking for a scapegoat to blame.

[phillychoppin]

Originally Posted by Siobhra

More cops, more DA's and more prison space.

That is what they should be whining about. If they were whining about money for those things then we can talk about helping them out. We would be more prone to believe them when they say they need help. The gun laws talk from them means they really don't want to do anything and that they are just looking for a scapegoat to blame.

Bravo!

What Philadelphia needs are more FATHERS who give a crap about the kids they make and perhaps more police/prisons. I think that this is just the new mayor trying to show off. He's got to know that he is way out of line and will end up getting slapped around by the state eventually, right?

[reels18]

More cops? Yes. More prison space? You bet. More DAs? They are a part of the problem. They continually offer plea bargains to cut their work load. These public servants think they are professional athletes. They are more concerned with their winning numbers, than they are of putting criminals in jail. A plea bargain goes into their win column with a fraction of the effort it would take to earn a conviction.

The judges routinely fail to follow sentencing guidelines. Why? Because they rely on their districts for votes to remain on the bench. Put a good portion of your constituents in prison, their relatives will not vote for you.

Philadelphia's crime problem stems from the break down of our judicial system.

Put the criminals in prison, keep them there and the crime level will drop. Make prisons a little more demanding than a forced country club stay. Do away with weight training, libraries, televisions and severely limit their visitor privileges. They are being punished for their behavior, not going on retreat.

We need to make a sentence to prison something to be avoided at all costs, not a rite of passage for the up and coming juvenile criminal wannabes.

[wellcraft]

i was watching the evening news last week in disgust for philly's new mayor, michael nutter" as he outlined his gun control schemes disguised as fighting crime. he plans to ignore the state constitution and current state law by adopting his own gun laws that are contrary to state law. PA State law, upheld by the PA supreme court, dictates that cities, townships can not inact gun laws that supercede state gun laws.

i'm disgusted at how liberals think it's OK to disregard state law as well as the constitution. last year it was the mayor of san francisco and some mayor in CT violating state law by performing gay weddings. now it's micheal nutter deciding since he's mayor he can ignore state law and the PA constitution in regards to firearms. i thought elected officials took an oath to uphold the constitution and not ignore the parts that go contrary to their agenda's.

his one gun a month and registration of all ammo purchases will do absolutley nothing to curb crime or the murder rate in philly. if he was truely serious about curbing crime he would lobby harrisburg to pass a 3 strikes and your out law to permanently jail repeat offenders. he would do something about the dismal prosecution rate, 59% of crime is not prosecuted in Philly, increase mandatory prison terms for criminals using guns to a minimum of 10 years and restrict bail for those caught with illegal guns. i keep hearing nutter preach we have to get illegal guns off the street but not a word about getting criminals who use guns off the street. put away the criminals using guns and the murder problem solves itself.

[sjl127]

Always, a "gun free zone" will always be the most dangerous place to be. Just don't go there if you can help it.

[larrymeyer]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

OK, the one way bus tickets get handed out tomorrow.

You don't want to pay, no problem. And you can whine about liberals and gun control and Nutter and whatever.

The problems are simple (at least in the short term). We need more cops. We need more DAs. We need more prison space (that's the big one). Prison space costs money. Your money (state money). You want to whine about gun control initiatives coming out of the city or you want criminals in jail so the liberals go back to sleep? Or better yet, we'll send them your way so we don't have to pay for dealing with all of them and you won't complain about paying taxes in philly. Problem solved.

You don't have to give me a one way ticket I moved 200 miles away and still have to support the city. Like I said who bails out SEPTA (the state) do you have a lounge where you work where you can go and shoot pool play darts or cards ? SEPTA conductors do in 30th street and Suburban Station. I know one conductor on the Wilmington line who makes two runs a day one at 8AM and one at 5:15 PM and does this 5 days a week.

If they call the first guy on the on call list and he doesn't answer and they then call the second guy on the list both get paid overtime.

As for sending them out of the city when I was in Pittsburgh the Philadelphia LEO's use to put the homeless on a bus with a ticket to Pittsburgh just to get them out of the city. If reason doesn't work try scare tact. We have some Philadelphia's criminals up here but up here they go to jail. In the city they Plea bargain I won't do it again so put me on probation your honor.

As for more police why did you (city dwellers) let Mayor Street lay off over 800 policeman, and then EMTs and Fireman ? Raise taxes in the city if you need these things (jail, police, EMTs, fireman, etc) WHY SHOULD THE REST OF THE STATE PAY FOR YOU ?

When did God make Philadelphia the New Jerusalem that everyone is responsible for. Raise the city wage tax on people who live in the city. Raise the property tax if you live in the city ( they do it here to support my town) go back to the state and tell them you want to raise the sales tax to 8 or 10 % in the city. Put the sales tax on everything as long as its in Philadelphia I don't have a problem with that. Like I said I moved 200 miles away to get out of supporting the city, Now I not only support a freeloading city but my own community who does get 1/16 what Philadelphia gets. I got an Idea let us and Delaware Country have some of its tax money back and withhold it from Philadelphia till they show some fiscal responsibility.

I believe that Philadelphia is pushing gun control to take the spotlight off of political corruption in the city since street and maybe as far back as Randell. The last push by Randell was to take the light off the Democrats who were using state money to pay for their own election committees

The problems are simple (at least in the short term). What happens after the short term we come back and ask for more money or we'll take away your guns.

I really believe its time for the rest of the state to take a stand against the money wasting politicians in Philadelphia. Sorry you and I can't agree on that but at least we can agree to disagree