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Now they want other property too!

These sc**bags need a kick where the sun doesn't shine! And the best way to do it is work against their re-election or for their recall whichever comes first!

PRINTER'S NO. 1658


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THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA

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SENATE BILL
No. 1217 Session of 2007


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INTRODUCED BY A. WILLIAMS, WASHINGTON, McILHINNEY, KITCHEN,
TARTAGLIONE, COSTA, LAVALLE AND WOZNIAK, DECEMBER 20, 2007


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REFERRED TO JUDICIARY, DECEMBER 20, 2007


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AN ACT

1 Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania
2 Consolidated Statutes, further providing for firearms not to
3 be carried without a license.

4 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
5 hereby enacts as follows:
6 Section 1. Section 6106 of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania
7 Consolidated Statutes is amended by adding a subsection to read:
8 § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
9 * * *
10 (d.1) Vehicles used in transportation.--Any vehicle or
11 vessel used to transport a person unlawfully carrying a firearm
12 under subsection (a) may be deemed contraband and forfeited in
13 accordance with the following:
14 (1) Property subject to forfeiture under this section
15 may be seized by the law enforcement authority upon process
16 issued by any court of common pleas having jurisdiction over
17 the property.
18 (2) Property taken or detained under this section shall


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1 not be subject to replevin but is deemed to be in the custody
2 of the law enforcement authority subject only to the orders
3 and decrees of the court of common pleas having jurisdiction
4 over the forfeiture proceedings and of the district attorney.
5 When property is seized under this section, the law
6 enforcement authority shall place the property under seal and
7 either:
8 (i) remove the property to a place designated by it;
9 or
10 (ii) require that the district attorney take custody
11 of the property and remove it to an appropriate location
12 for disposition in accordance with law.
13 (3) Whenever property is forfeited under this section,
14 the property shall be transferred to the custody of the
15 municipal corporation. The municipal corporation shall sell
16 any forfeited property, but the proceeds from any such sale
17 shall be used to pay all proper expenses of the proceedings
18 for forfeiture and sale, including expenses of seizure,
19 maintenance of custody, advertising and court costs. The
20 balance of the proceeds shall be used for the enforcement of
21 this act.
22 (4) The proceedings for the forfeiture or condemnation
23 of property, the sale of which is provided for in this
24 section, shall be in rem, in which the Commonwealth shall be
25 the plaintiff and the property the defendant. A petition
26 shall be filed in the court of common pleas of the judicial
27 district where the property is located, verified by oath or
28 affirmation of an officer or citizen, containing the
29 following:
30 (i) A description of the property seized.
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1 (ii) A statement of the time and place where seized.
2 (iii) The owner, if known.
3 (iv) The person or persons in possession, if known.
4 (v) An allegation that the property is subject to
5 forfeiture pursuant to this subsection and an averment of
6 material facts upon which the forfeiture action is based.
7 (vi) A prayer for an order of forfeiture that the
8 property be adjudged forfeited to the Commonwealth and
9 condemned and be ordered sold according to law, unless
10 cause be shown to the contrary.
11 (5) A copy of the petition required under paragraph (4)
12 shall be served personally or by certified mail on the owner
13 or upon the person or persons in possession at the time of
14 the seizure. The copy shall have endorsed a notice, as
15 follows:
16 To the Claimant of within Described Property: You are
17 required to file an answer to this petition, setting
18 forth your title in, and right to possession of, the
19 property within 30 days from the service hereof, and you
20 are also notified that, if you fail to file the answer, a
21 decree of forfeiture and condemnation will be entered
22 against the property.
23 The notice shall be signed by the district attorney, deputy
24 district attorney or assistant district attorney.
25 (6) If the owner of the property is unknown or there was
26 no person in possession of the property when seized or if the
27 owner or such person or persons in possession at the time of
28 the seizure cannot be personally served or located within the
29 jurisdiction of the court, notice of the petition shall be
30 given by the Commonwealth through an advertisement in only
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1 one newspaper of general circulation published in the county
2 where the property shall have been seized, once a week for
3 two successive weeks. No other advertisement of any sort
4 shall be necessary, any other law to the contrary
5 notwithstanding. The notice shall contain a statement of the
6 seizure of the property with a description of the property
7 and the place and date of seizure and shall direct any
8 claimants to the property to file a claim on or before a date
9 given in the notice, which date shall not be less than 30
10 days from the date of the first publication. If no claims are
11 filed within 30 days of publication, the property shall
12 summarily forfeit to the Commonwealth.
13 (7) For purposes of this section, the owner or other
14 such person cannot be found in the jurisdiction of the court
15 if:
16 (i) a copy of the petition is mailed to the last
17 known address by certified mail and is returned without
18 delivery;
19 (ii) personal service is attempted once but cannot
20 be made at the last known address; and
21 (iii) a copy of the petition is left at the last
22 known address.
23 (8) The notice provisions of this section are
24 automatically waived when the owner, without good cause,
25 fails to appear in court in response to a subpoena on the
26 underlying criminal charges. Forty-five days after such a
27 failure to appear, if good cause has not been demonstrated,
28 the property shall summarily forfeit to the Commonwealth.
29 (9) Upon the filing of a claim for the property setting
30 forth a right of possession, the case shall be deemed at
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1 issue and a time shall be fixed for the hearing.
2 (10) At the time of the hearing, if the Commonwealth
3 produces evidence that the property in question was
4 unlawfully used, possessed or otherwise subject to forfeiture
5 under this section, the burden shall be upon the claimant to
6 show:
7 (i) That the claimant is the owner of the property
8 or the holder of a secured interest or contract of
9 conditional sale thereon.
10 (ii) That the claimant lawfully acquired the
11 property.
12 (iii) That it was not unlawfully used or possessed
13 by him. In the event that it shall appear that the
14 property was unlawfully used or possessed by a person
15 other than the claimant, then the claimant shall show
16 that the unlawful use or possession was without his
17 knowledge or consent. Such absence of knowledge or
18 consent must be reasonable under the circumstances
19 presented.
20 (11) If a person claiming the ownership of or right of
21 possession to or claiming to be the holder of a secured
22 interest or contract of conditional sale upon the property,
23 the disposition of which is provided for in this section,
24 prior to the sale presents a petition to the court alleging
25 over the property lawful ownership, right of possession, a
26 lien or reservation of title and if, upon public hearing, due
27 notice of which having been given to the district attorney,
28 the claimant shall prove by competent evidence to the
29 satisfaction of the court that the property was lawfully
30 acquired, possessed and used by him or, it appearing that the
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1 property was unlawfully used by a person other than the
2 claimant, that the unlawful use was without the claimant's
3 knowledge or consent, then the court may order the property
4 returned or delivered to the claimant. Such absence of
5 knowledge or consent must be reasonable under the
6 circumstances presented. Otherwise, it shall be retained for
7 official use or sold in accordance with paragraph (4).
8 * * *
9 Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days.
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Holy cow..... I tried reading this thing but I just don't understand the wording. Can someone translate into plain english please?

I think it says that transporting any firearm without a LTCF would be illegal. Right??


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Default Re: Confiscating Guns Isn't Enough - SB 1217

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Originally Posted by Brick View Post
Now they want other property too!

These sc**bags need a kick where the sun doesn't shine! And the best way to do it is work against their re-election or for their recall whichever comes first!

PRINTER'S NO. 1658


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THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA

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SENATE BILL
No. 1217 Session of 2007


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INTRODUCED BY A. WILLIAMS, WASHINGTON, McILHINNEY, KITCHEN,
TARTAGLIONE, COSTA, LAVALLE AND WOZNIAK, DECEMBER 20, 2007


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REFERRED TO JUDICIARY, DECEMBER 20, 2007


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AN ACT

1 Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania
2 Consolidated Statutes, further providing for firearms not to
3 be carried without a license.

4 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
5 hereby enacts as follows:
6 Section 1. Section 6106 of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania
7 Consolidated Statutes is amended by adding a subsection to read:
8 § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
9 * * *
10 (d.1) Vehicles used in transportation.--Any vehicle or
11 vessel used to transport a person unlawfully carrying a firearm
12 under subsection (a) may be deemed contraband and forfeited in
13 accordance with the following:
14 (1) Property subject to forfeiture under this section
15 may be seized by the law enforcement authority upon process
16 issued by any court of common pleas having jurisdiction over
17 the property.
18 (2) Property taken or detained under this section shall


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1 not be subject to replevin but is deemed to be in the custody
2 of the law enforcement authority subject only to the orders
3 and decrees of the court of common pleas having jurisdiction
4 over the forfeiture proceedings and of the district attorney.
5 When property is seized under this section, the law
6 enforcement authority shall place the property under seal and
7 either:
8 (i) remove the property to a place designated by it;
9 or
10 (ii) require that the district attorney take custody
11 of the property and remove it to an appropriate location
12 for disposition in accordance with law.
13 (3) Whenever property is forfeited under this section,
14 the property shall be transferred to the custody of the
15 municipal corporation. The municipal corporation shall sell
16 any forfeited property, but the proceeds from any such sale
17 shall be used to pay all proper expenses of the proceedings
18 for forfeiture and sale, including expenses of seizure,
19 maintenance of custody, advertising and court costs. The
20 balance of the proceeds shall be used for the enforcement of
21 this act.
22 (4) The proceedings for the forfeiture or condemnation
23 of property, the sale of which is provided for in this
24 section, shall be in rem, in which the Commonwealth shall be
25 the plaintiff and the property the defendant. A petition
26 shall be filed in the court of common pleas of the judicial
27 district where the property is located, verified by oath or
28 affirmation of an officer or citizen, containing the
29 following:
30 (i) A description of the property seized.
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1 (ii) A statement of the time and place where seized.
2 (iii) The owner, if known.
3 (iv) The person or persons in possession, if known.
4 (v) An allegation that the property is subject to
5 forfeiture pursuant to this subsection and an averment of
6 material facts upon which the forfeiture action is based.
7 (vi) A prayer for an order of forfeiture that the
8 property be adjudged forfeited to the Commonwealth and
9 condemned and be ordered sold according to law, unless
10 cause be shown to the contrary.
11 (5) A copy of the petition required under paragraph (4)
12 shall be served personally or by certified mail on the owner
13 or upon the person or persons in possession at the time of
14 the seizure. The copy shall have endorsed a notice, as
15 follows:
16 To the Claimant of within Described Property: You are
17 required to file an answer to this petition, setting
18 forth your title in, and right to possession of, the
19 property within 30 days from the service hereof, and you
20 are also notified that, if you fail to file the answer, a
21 decree of forfeiture and condemnation will be entered
22 against the property.
23 The notice shall be signed by the district attorney, deputy
24 district attorney or assistant district attorney.
25 (6) If the owner of the property is unknown or there was
26 no person in possession of the property when seized or if the
27 owner or such person or persons in possession at the time of
28 the seizure cannot be personally served or located within the
29 jurisdiction of the court, notice of the petition shall be
30 given by the Commonwealth through an advertisement in only
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1 one newspaper of general circulation published in the county
2 where the property shall have been seized, once a week for
3 two successive weeks. No other advertisement of any sort
4 shall be necessary, any other law to the contrary
5 notwithstanding. The notice shall contain a statement of the
6 seizure of the property with a description of the property
7 and the place and date of seizure and shall direct any
8 claimants to the property to file a claim on or before a date
9 given in the notice, which date shall not be less than 30
10 days from the date of the first publication. If no claims are
11 filed within 30 days of publication, the property shall
12 summarily forfeit to the Commonwealth.
13 (7) For purposes of this section, the owner or other
14 such person cannot be found in the jurisdiction of the court
15 if:
16 (i) a copy of the petition is mailed to the last
17 known address by certified mail and is returned without
18 delivery;
19 (ii) personal service is attempted once but cannot
20 be made at the last known address; and
21 (iii) a copy of the petition is left at the last
22 known address.
23 (8) The notice provisions of this section are
24 automatically waived when the owner, without good cause,
25 fails to appear in court in response to a subpoena on the
26 underlying criminal charges. Forty-five days after such a
27 failure to appear, if good cause has not been demonstrated,
28 the property shall summarily forfeit to the Commonwealth.
29 (9) Upon the filing of a claim for the property setting
30 forth a right of possession, the case shall be deemed at
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1 issue and a time shall be fixed for the hearing.
2 (10) At the time of the hearing, if the Commonwealth
3 produces evidence that the property in question was
4 unlawfully used, possessed or otherwise subject to forfeiture
5 under this section, the burden shall be upon the claimant to
6 show:
7 (i) That the claimant is the owner of the property
8 or the holder of a secured interest or contract of
9 conditional sale thereon.
10 (ii) That the claimant lawfully acquired the
11 property.
12 (iii) That it was not unlawfully used or possessed
13 by him. In the event that it shall appear that the
14 property was unlawfully used or possessed by a person
15 other than the claimant, then the claimant shall show
16 that the unlawful use or possession was without his
17 knowledge or consent. Such absence of knowledge or
18 consent must be reasonable under the circumstances
19 presented.
20 (11) If a person claiming the ownership of or right of
21 possession to or claiming to be the holder of a secured
22 interest or contract of conditional sale upon the property,
23 the disposition of which is provided for in this section,
24 prior to the sale presents a petition to the court alleging
25 over the property lawful ownership, right of possession, a
26 lien or reservation of title and if, upon public hearing, due
27 notice of which having been given to the district attorney,
28 the claimant shall prove by competent evidence to the
29 satisfaction of the court that the property was lawfully
30 acquired, possessed and used by him or, it appearing that the
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1 property was unlawfully used by a person other than the
2 claimant, that the unlawful use was without the claimant's
3 knowledge or consent, then the court may order the property
4 returned or delivered to the claimant. Such absence of
5 knowledge or consent must be reasonable under the
6 circumstances presented. Otherwise, it shall be retained for
7 official use or sold in accordance with paragraph (4).
8 * * *
9 Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days.



§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded.
Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a location to which the person has been directed to surrender firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the surrendered firearm.
Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.--

Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.
Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

(d) Revocation of registration.--Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.
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Holy cow..... I tried reading this thing but I just don't understand the wording. Can someone translate into plain english please?

I think it says that transporting any firearm without a LTCF would be illegal. Right??

no they want your car..
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This law mirrors the sections of the Federal Assets/Forfeiture statues. What it does provide is a way for the state to seize tangible property from those violating the Violations of Uniform Firearm Act section, specifically section 6106, Firearms not to be Carried without a License. The law does not apply to ANY law abiding citizen. In short, if you have a license to carry you are not violating this law. If you are going to/from a range, a gun shop, or any of the laundry list of exceptions listed in this law, and your weapon is unloaded with the ammunition being stored separately, you are not violating this law.
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This is what I wrote to Andrew Washington, first sponsor of this bill:

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In order to further this bill, you need to clarify lawful carry of firearms.

This is to ensure persons carrying to a range or for self protection are not harassed by law enforcement personnel. You should add the notation “This does not apply to Lawful Owner(s) of the firearm carrying concealed (with a permit) or open carry (legal, no permit required per PA Supreme Court decision) or transporting to a firing range or hunting”.

That should cover it…however, I suggest you also add that law enforcement personnel must be trained or instructed on the lawful carrying of firearms (as a condition of employment) before this bill is allowed to proceed.

With those changes and additions, this bill may move forward. Otherwise, it has no chance.

I also suggest you research current law to ensure this law is not redundant, therefore a burden to the taxpayers of Pennsylvania. I expect you’ll find such laws an withdraw SB 1217.
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So they are trying to do away with OC without a LTCF?
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If I read correctly (IANAL), then if I have a passenger who is carrying illegally my car is subject to seizure. To get my car returned the burden of proof is on me to prove that the illegal act was done without my knowledge.
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If I read correctly (IANAL), then if I have a passenger who is carrying illegally my car is subject to seizure. To get my car returned the burden of proof is on me to prove that the illegal act was done without my knowledge.
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Highlighted the section where so many hunters and target shooter WITHOUT a LTCF break the law.

There is NO exemption in law for transporting firearms for stopping any where IF you do, you break the law even if its only to eat dinner, or even to stop and get gas.

Think that statement is extreme contact Kim Stolfer he will give you specific examples of people being prosecuted for exactly this violation of the law, Kim will provide you more than the shorten version I give here as examples.

one guy bought a new hand gun from FFL dealer stopped at sister house to show it to here and got stopped for traffic stop and admitted he stopped at sister home - Not allowed to own firearms now.

other guy stopped coming back from hunting and had firearms in truck and got the same thing - Not allowed to own firearms now.

Read the section again their is no exception in law for stopping anywhere in transportation, crazy I know but you could lose your rights for this stupid omission in the law if you are caught and prosecuted for transporting firearms without a LTCF. It a very real problem in curent law, I warn people about this all the time and yet they do what ever they want, most do not have the money to defend themselves in court yet think it won't happen to them.



§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded. Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a location to which the person has been directed to surrender firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the surrendered firearm.
Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.


(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.--

Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.
Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

(d) Revocation of registration.--Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.

If you don't have a LTCF permit - read it, learn it and obey the letter of the law or face the consequences if you are caught.....
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